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Old 22-10-2012, 16:31   #16
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Re: Cost of sails

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We have several friends who have had sales made "offshore" and been very happy with them. I've heard it is common for many US sailmakers to have the sails mostly built in China, shipped here, and then finished up (grommets, battens, reinforcing, etc.).
It seems like our friends in the East just cannot be overlooked in any field of business.
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Old 22-10-2012, 16:44   #17
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Re: Cost of sails

For a boat your size, don't expect much change from $10,000 for a new main and headsail, in decent quality Dacron. You can spend a hell of a lot more, or a fair bit less, but, to an extent at least, you get what you pay for.
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Re: Cost of sails

Keep in mind that there are common production boats using well established sails which show up on the used sail market much more frequently than some one off boat. Even for new sails a boat with well established sail size will probably be cheaper (and cut better) than new sails for less frequently seen boats.

There are several OD boats that use sails from other OD boats because of the lower cost and greater supply of popular boats. If you do a google search on "used sails" you can often find a set of good used sails for common boats and an on line app for figuring what used sails may come close to fitting the boat you need sails for.

The $US8-10k is probably a good place to start but for most live aboard cruising sail boats you may well come in at less than half that price for a very good set of sails.
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Re: Cost of sails

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Keep in mind that there are common production boats using well established sails which show up on the used sail market much more frequently than some one off boat. Even for new sails a boat with well established sail size will probably be cheaper (and cut better) than new sails for less frequently seen boats.

There are several OD boats that use sails from other OD boats because of the lower cost and greater supply of popular boats. If you do a google search on "used sails" you can often find a set of good used sails for common boats and an on line app for figuring what used sails may come close to fitting the boat you need sails for.

The $US8-10k is probably a good place to start but for most live aboard cruising sail boats you may well come in at less than half that price for a very good set of sails.
Your information appears logical and sound and I will bear that in mind when out there looking for our boat. Makes me lean even more towards a production boat like the Beneteau/Jeanneau or maybe Hunter?
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Old 23-10-2012, 05:12   #20
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to me "good used sails" seems a weird statement used a couple of times on this thread, sounds like "cheap high quality"

doesn't seem to me that cruiser sails would normally fall into this, if they were good cruisers would still be using their
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Old 23-10-2012, 05:28   #21
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Re: Cost of sails

Several items will affect the cost of new sails:
1- Quality of the cloth. Dacron, f.eks. is not all the same. Wieght, weave etc will factor in.
2- How it is sewn. Cross cut? Radial? other?
3- Vendor - sewn in europe (not any more). Sri Lanka? Poland, China?

For cheap sails, google Lee Sails one of the larger chinese vendors (no guarantees on the quality from me).

Pricing is also seasonal. Virtually all sail makers will give you a significant discount of you order in September and are willing to wait for delivery until after Christmas (out of season).


Having said all that - yeah the 10 grand or so seems like a good number. Plus Minus 10% or so.

But don't forget, in sails, as in many other areas, price and quality go hand in hand. If you are planning on serious blue water cruising - do not try to "save" money on your sails. Ain't worth it - they are what is going to get you there - and back again

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So many variables


We just bought a full batten main from Quantum. 8.3 challenge hi mod Dacron 3800. Sail was made in South Africa and is very well made.
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Re: Cost of sails

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to me "good used sails" seems a weird statement used a couple of times on this thread, sounds like "cheap high quality"

doesn't seem to me that cruiser sails would normally fall into this, if they were good cruisers would still be using their
I guess so ... unless ill health forced them landward?
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We just bought a full batten main from Quantum. 8.3 challenge hi mod Dacron 3800. Sail was made in South Africa and is very well made.
Glad you happy with it ... I see you have a 35 footer? May I ask what sort of cost (u obviously don't need to answer that if u don't want to).
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Several items will affect the cost of new sails:
1- Quality of the cloth. Dacron, f.eks. is not all the same. Wieght, weave etc will factor in.
2- How it is sewn. Cross cut? Radial? other?
3- Vendor - sewn in europe (not any more). Sri Lanka? Poland, China?

For cheap sails, google Lee Sails one of the larger chinese vendors (no guarantees on the quality from me).

Pricing is also seasonal. Virtually all sail makers will give you a significant discount of you order in September and are willing to wait for delivery until after Christmas (out of season).


Having said all that - yeah the 10 grand or so seems like a good number. Plus Minus 10% or so.

But don't forget, in sails, as in many other areas, price and quality go hand in hand. If you are planning on serious blue water cruising - do not try to "save" money on your sails. Ain't worth it - they are what is going to get you there - and back again

I agree with you there. Hopefully the boat we decide on eventually will have at least a newish main sail or Genoa.
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Cost of the sail was 3800. High aspect main 403 cubic ft. 2 reefs, 4full battens, triple stitched, daft stripes and letters and numbers, alu,inum headboard.


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Cost of the sail was 3800. High aspect main 403 cubic ft. 2 reefs, 4full battens, triple stitched, daft stripes and letters and numbers, alu,inum headboard.


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Thanks for that ... seems like you got a fair deal. Happy for you.
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to me "good used sails" seems a weird statement used a couple of times on this thread, sounds like "cheap high quality" doesn't seem to me that cruiser sails would normally fall into this, if they were good cruisers would still be using their
Agreed and I would be wary of buying sails that came with a yacht originally. Quality may have been compromised to keep the costs down with the maufacturer doing a deal with the sail maker for multiple sails.

However, a second hand sail from a racing yacht determined to have the latest sails could be an interesting buy. We have a great second hand North sail from e bay, doubt it has been used more than 6 times when someone changed their minds or perhaps it just wasn't competitive enough.

New medium quality genoa for a 31ft yacht has just cost us $2000 and made in the UK. Top of the range like Hydranet or Radian was $3000 which I couldn't justify.

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Re: Cost of sails

The $US8-10k is probably a good place to start but for most live aboard cruising sail boats you may well come in at less than half that price for a very good set of sails.[/QUOTE]

Thanks Tom, good info to have.
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Re: Cost of sails

Just walk into a loft and ask a quote. You can get rough quotes online too.

In some places USD/EUR 80 per m2 is a fair bet. Plain kites come cheaper per m2.

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