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Old 28-09-2015, 01:52   #31
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Re: Club footed Staysail Rigging

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Old 28-09-2015, 02:37   #32
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Re: Club footed Staysail Rigging

I love my self tacking jib, I have yet to get hit with it, it doesn't seem that likely. Yes, it's not for racers, the sail shape is kind of a piece of ****, but the benefits outright the negatives.

For single handed I couldn't have picked a better setup. It's true, just push the tiller hard over or turn the wheel and that's it, no violently banging around lines, that stupid knot doesn't get wrapped and caught in the shrouds, if it's really windy you can concentrate on other things than flipping jib sheets from one winch to another. And shortening sail is great because you can reef it just like a main. Mine didn't come with reef points but I put them in and it has a really nice flat shape then.
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Re: Club footed Staysail Rigging

Explain this jackline to me, because I have it, but don't find I need it. In fact, once I added the reef point I took it off the block and put my forward reef line.

The sailmaker was adamant it was needed to get the sail down. What it is is instead of the last four hanks attaching to my forestay, they attach to a rope that wraps around the forestay and it had a block at the bottom that the line goes through so you can oil, it down to get it started. But then again, I don't think my out haul goes tight enough, so maybe that is the problem right there,
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But then again, I don't think my out haul goes tight enough, so maybe that is the problem right there,
Spot on, if the outhaul is slack the jackline isn't needed. But then the sail sets like a baggy old sack going to windward unless you tension the outhaul. Then you have to remember to loosen it to get the sail all the way down. The jackline automates this by slackening of the lower hanks as the sail is lowered. Normally they don't need any adjustment, and can be tied of once they are set right.

Without a preventer or topper the things can get dangerous. As soon as you start to run off the sail can slam across gybing as the main blankets it. This happens sometimes around 165-170 degrees, well before flat off square. And a long time before the main gybes.



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Can I have self-tacking without a boom?

Why is having self-tacking so important?

This is not directly to the point but, I used to work on a big schooner and we tacked four jibs when under full sail. (I know: more hands, more time, more room.)
Yes, you can have self-tacking without a boom. Leaving the existing staysail traveler in place, you can re-cut the sail by shortening the foot and replace the single-grommet clew with a clewboard.

We did that on Beausoleil and it works great (for our purposes at least). The previous owner added roller furlers to the head stay and inner stay, and never did anything about the staysail boom. There's a reason a Formosa 51 has a staysail, and she wouldn't sail upwind worth a hoot without it.

After talking to our sailmaker (Mack Sails in Stuart, FL), we sold the old staysail and had a new one made with a 5-point clewboard. We now can point higher than before (as high as 45-50 degrees apparent) and get better drive due to the slot effect between the jib, staysail and main. All without a 10' pole swinging around...

We made up for the loss in sail area in the staysail by going from a 90% jib to 100%, and increasing the roach of the main and mizzen (doable with full battens). She sails like a different boat now.
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