|
02-09-2014, 17:29
|
#1
|
Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Nanaimo, BC
Boat: Sceptre 36
Posts: 454
|
C&C 41 Running Backstays
Just bought a new to us C&C 41 with running backstays. Are they worth keeping on if not racing?
|
|
|
02-09-2014, 18:33
|
#2
|
Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Slidell, LA
Boat: Beneteau First 375
Posts: 447
|
Re: C&C 41 Running Backstays
Take your boat out one day when it's breezy and beat into a 4-6 foot chop. Stand by the shrouds and sight up the mast. If it isn't pumping enough to scare you, then you probably don't need the runners.
|
|
|
02-09-2014, 19:00
|
#3
|
Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 2,687
|
Re: C&C 41 Running Backstays
You will rarely use them, but when you do, they are worth their weight in gold. If C&C had made their mast strong enough to not need them, they would not be there. 99% of the time they will be tied off and out of the way. That 1% when you are beating your brains out to get upwind in a chop, they come into play. Just another opinion. _____Grant.
|
|
|
02-09-2014, 19:45
|
#4
|
Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Slidell, LA
Boat: Beneteau First 375
Posts: 447
|
Re: C&C 41 Running Backstays
Actually, I think we share the same opinion, but you just phrased it better :-)
|
|
|
02-09-2014, 20:23
|
#5
|
Moderator Emeritus
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Carlsbad, CA
Boat: 1976 Sabre 28-2
Posts: 7,505
|
Re: C&C 41 Running Backstays
Do you have a staysail stay or separate stay for a storm jib?? Definitely will use them going to weather when it gets nasty if you do. If they made the mast strong enough not to need them, the mast wall and section would have had to be much thicker/bigger and heavier which would hurt performance..
__________________
Peter O.
'Ae'a, Pearson 35
'Ms American Pie', Sabre 28 Mark II
|
|
|
02-09-2014, 20:53
|
#6
|
Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Up the mast, looking for clean wind.
Boat: Currently Shopping, & Heavily in LUST!
Posts: 5,629
|
Re: C&C 41 Running Backstays
Are you aware of the C&C owners group(s), resource center, & forums etc.? If not, here's a start for you anyway C&C Yachts - C&C Photo Album & Resource Center
As to the runner's question, what's above is valid. But also, runners are a great tool for shaping the main. When it starts to blow, and the main begins to look closer to a "D-Cup" than to the "B-cup" it did 10kts of wind ago, wind on the runners a bit & they'll definitely help things. As in flatten out the main.
Doing that is sometimes enough to depower the main sufficiently so that you aren't sailing on your ear, but leaves you with enough power to punch through a choppy sea. Whereas were you to reef under such circumstances, you might loose enough that you wind up hobby horsing a lot more. Making for a slower, as well as, far less comfortable ride.
__________________
The Uncommon Thing, The Hard Thing, The Important Thing (in Life): Making Promises to Yourself, And Keeping Them.
|
|
|
03-09-2014, 00:33
|
#7
|
Moderator
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: aboard, cruising in Australia
Boat: Sayer 46' Solent rig sloop
Posts: 28,400
|
Re: C&C 41 Running Backstays
Hey, uncivilized, good post.
A.
__________________
Who scorns the calm has forgotten the storm.
|
|
|
03-09-2014, 03:39
|
#8
|
Moderator
Join Date: May 2008
Location: cruising SW Pacific
Boat: Jon Sayer 1-off 46 ft fract rig sloop strip plank in W Red Cedar
Posts: 21,135
|
Re: C&C 41 Running Backstays
Quote:
Originally Posted by UNCIVILIZED
Are you aware of the C&C owners group(s), resource center, & forums etc.? If not, here's a start for you anyway C&C Yachts - C&C Photo Album & Resource Center
As to the runner's question, what's above is valid. But also, runners are a great tool for shaping the main. When it starts to blow, and the main begins to look closer to a "D-Cup" than to the "B-cup" it did 10kts of wind ago, wind on the runners a bit & they'll definitely help things. As in flatten out the main.
Doing that is sometimes enough to depower the main sufficiently so that you aren't sailing on your ear, but leaves you with enough power to punch through a choppy sea. Whereas were you to reef under such circumstances, you might loose enough that you wind up hobby horsing a lot more. Making for a slower, as well as, far less comfortable ride.
|
That's an interesting thought, UnC, but it seems kinda backwards to me. Cranking on the runners (in a masthead rig) pulls the center of the mast aft, straightening the mast which was bowing forward. This is opposite to the idea of bending the mast with the backstay to flatten the main by moving the center of the mast forward.
Where am I going wrong in this?
Jim
__________________
Jim and Ann s/v Insatiable II, lying Port Cygnet Tasmania once again.
|
|
|
03-09-2014, 04:38
|
#9
|
Moderator Emeritus
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL
Boat: 48 Wauquiez Pilot Saloon
Posts: 5,975
|
Re: C&C 41 Running Backstays
Ann and Jim...
On a 3 hr watch schedule are we???
Hee hee... I think ya'll are sittin', but I thought the post times were funny...
__________________
In the harsh marine environment, something is always in need of repair...
Mai Tai's fix everything...
|
|
|
|
Thread Tools |
Search this Thread |
|
|
Display Modes |
Rate This Thread |
Linear Mode
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
|
Advertise Here
Recent Discussions |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Vendor Spotlight |
|
|
|