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Old 09-11-2015, 05:18   #76
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Re: Best knot to attach single line to jib clew?

Bowline on a bight, though a little bulky, shouldnt be an issue on a storm jib.
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We always use a tight bowline. It's still large if it smacks you in the head, but better than a shackle!
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Re: Best knot to attach single line to jib clew?

Here's the Zepp with a loop that could go through the cringle (tack grommet or ring). It seems to hold up one-sheet loading, but it's kind of bulky:


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I have just attached a sheet in the same situation using a reef knot.
it is working so far and has an interesting habit of forming a modified bow line when pulled on one end and reversing its shape when pulled on the other end. It also passes the mast without much fuss when tacking and is easy to undo.
A reef knot like this?


This is what it looks like when it collapses under one-sheet loading:


This is a cow hitch (lark's head / luggage tag) around the working sheet. It's going to tighten, not slip, but it might slip after tacking. Can't say for sure, I've never used it.

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Re: Best knot to attach single line to jib clew?

My West Marine store manager Charlie Cole - an avid and VERY knowledgeable sailor- likes to whip fasten jib sheets to the clew for a low profile and non-catching system.
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Re: Best knot to attach single line to jib clew?

Cow hitch needs equal pressure on both ends of the sheet. So it will fail.


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Could you do a bowline in the middle ?


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Re: Best knot to attach single line to jib clew?

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Could you do a bowline in the middle ?


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Re: Best knot to attach single line to jib clew?

Guys . . . . This is simple . . . . The figure 8 loop is the answer . . . . . It is simple to tie (in the dark when waves are breaking over you), strong, can be broken after heavy load, and be loaded on either rail separately and is not too bulky.
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Guys . . . . This is simple . . . . The figure 8 loop is the answer . . . . . It is simple to tie (in the dark when waves are breaking over you), strong, can be broken after heavy load, and be loaded on either rail separately and is not too bulky.

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Re: Best knot to attach single line to jib clew?

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Guys . . . . This is simple . . . . The figure 8 loop is the answer . . . . . It is simple to tie (in the dark when waves are breaking over you), strong, can be broken after heavy load, and be loaded on either rail separately and is not too bulky.
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The FLEMISH LOOP or FIGURE-EIGHT LOOP is perhaps stronger than the LOOP KNOT. Neither of these knots is used at sea as they are hard to untie.

I would concur with Ashley. Earlier this year I spent about half an hour with a spike trying to get one out of a 1" tow line.
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Re: Best knot to attach single line to jib clew?

the boland ? simple fast never gets tight and stronger than superman
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Re: Best knot to attach single line to jib clew?

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the boland ? simple fast never gets tight and stronger than superman
Try Bowline

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Yes you can it is called a bowline on a bight
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Won't the clew be in the way at the last step?
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Re: Best knot to attach single line to jib clew?

The entire sail will be in the way!
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Re: Best knot to attach single line to jib clew?

Girls ... this is simple:

1. the OP has likely left the thread;


2. the answer I use is Sumio's Symmetric Sheet Knot (3SK), named after the famous Japanese cruiser and boatbuilder, Oya Sumio san.


Sumio puzzled over the problem, not liking to use a bowline because it was asymmetric, a little too bulky, and - when used on the clew of the jib of a cutter - too prone to getting hung up on the (inner) forestay.


Sumio kept working on the issue and trying variations on the bowline, and 'discovered' the 3SK. Sumio taught me the knot.


Few useable knots are 'new'. The 3SK is one of the family of what once were called Capstan Knots.


Capstan knots are made in the middle of a long line, from the boat, around a capstan or cleat, and then back to a different position on the boat. I've known not a few skippers who use a long line as, say, both a forward spring and an aft spring, and so use a capstan knot (not necessarily the 3SK) around the one dock cleat/capstan.


Here're are (a) my clumsy attempt to use KnotMaker to diagram the 3SK; and (b) a diagram of the 3SK that I found in an old English dictionary (William Dwight Whitney The Century Dictionary and Cyclopedia: An encyclopedic Lexicon of the English Language (New York, NY: The Century Co., 1889)) which used it as THE diagram representing the family of Capstan Knots.
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