Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 03-10-2017, 11:30   #1
Registered User

Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: San Francisco, CA
Boat: Beneteau 461 46'
Posts: 27
Benefits of whisker pole?

Planning on crossing the Atlantic this fall on a 39' catamaran. Debating whether we should install a whisker pole to keep the jib sail or cruising chute poled out when going downwind.

How beneficial is it terms of speed is the whisker pole? Are we talking about shaving a few hours or a day or two off the total crossing? Is it worth the cost & trouble to get it installed just for the crossing?

(Looked into adding a proper spinnaker pole but seemed too expensive)

Really appreciate the responses!
__________________

__________________
Bumberg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2017, 11:37   #2
Moderator
 
Paul Elliott's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 3,871
Images: 4
Re: Benefits of whisker pole?

[posted while we wait for someone who knows more about cats]

On a monohull, a whisker pole can be a big help when running deep downwind. I've not sailed a cat, but wouldn't you have the option of attaching the sheet to the hull (sort of a reverse "barber hauler")?
__________________

__________________
Paul Elliott, S/V VALIS - Pacific Seacraft 44 #16 - Friday Harbor, WA
www.sailvalis.com
Paul Elliott is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2017, 12:05   #3
Senior Cruiser
 
Kenomac's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Somewhere in the Adriatic Sea
Boat: Oyster 53 Cutter
Posts: 8,511
Re: Benefits of whisker pole?

Yes, well worth it. We use our spinnaker pole all the time going down wind.
__________________
Kenomac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2017, 12:39   #4
Registered User
 
s/v Moondancer's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Fiji but heading for Alaska
Boat: Tayana 55
Posts: 1,225
Re: Benefits of whisker pole?

On my monohull I use the pole frequently, sometimes for days at a time, when crossing oceans. When I had a tri I ran the jib sheet through a quick release fitting on the bow of one the amas.

In a cat I would experiment running it off the bow of one of the hulls.

What ever you decide you have to be able to de-rig quickly for a squall or a MOB.
__________________
Phil

"Remember, experience only means that you screw-up less often."
s/v Moondancer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2017, 12:48   #5
Registered User

Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Fiji Airways/ Lake Ontario
Boat: Want a B430!
Posts: 901
Images: 2
Re: Benefits of whisker pole?

Not only does it maximize speed, but it saves sanity.

Have you ever been with a large headsail in a following sea? The sail collapses repeatedly with a loud FWOP. Also keeps the sail off the spreaders.
__________________
Tetepare is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2017, 19:22   #6
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 660
Re: Benefits of whisker pole?

On a catamaran you have the width and can usually rig a snatch block for most off wind sailing though a whisker pole is helpful dead downwind. Typically dead downwind is not your best VMG.
__________________
Keth

Boat Vinyl Lettering and Graphics
Bleemus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2017, 19:57   #7
Registered User
 
Dave852's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Tavernier, Fl
Boat: Outremer 50
Posts: 657
Send a message via Skype™ to Dave852
Re: Benefits of whisker pole?

In light wind fly your spinnaker, no need for a pole for that. But in heavy trades the whisker pole will be your most valuable tool on board, after the autopilot of course. Leave it deployed and furl/unfurl the jib as conditions warrant
Dave852 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2017, 19:58   #8
Registered User
 
Suijin's Avatar

Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Annapolis MD; currently in Oriental NC
Boat: Valiant 40
Posts: 2,912
Re: Benefits of whisker pole?

As Telepare mentions, it's not just a matter of speed. It stabilizes the sail and makes it largely self-tending.

One super-convenient tactic is to set the whisker pole equal to the distance to the sail clew when it is furled. That way you can run the sail in and out without having to remove or fuss with the pole, which is great when you're in squally conditions. Works better on some boats than others based on mast placement.
__________________
Suijin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2017, 20:14   #9
Moderator
 
a64pilot's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Albany Ga.
Boat: Island Packet 38
Posts: 17,045
Re: Benefits of whisker pole?

I thought Cats typically ran a screecher, and no pole?
I am not a Cat owner though so canít speak to them.
__________________
a64pilot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2017, 20:16   #10
Senior Cruiser
 
atoll's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: gettin naughty on the beach in cornwall
Boat: 63 custom alloy sloop,macwester26,prout snowgoose 37 elite catamaran!
Posts: 9,311
Images: 75
Re: Benefits of whisker pole?

having a pole set greatly aids the steering of a boat down wind when balanced with the mainsail.
i use a pole to aid the helmsman or auto pilot,so the boat basically steers itself with minimal lee or weather helm if balanced properly.

it also adds stability to the mast if a fixed set up is used with a halyard and 2 guys,like having an extra fore stay,so less wear and tare on the standing rigging and auto pilot.
__________________
my catamaran building project updates http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...36#post2502136
atoll is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2017, 20:52   #11
Registered User
 
UNCIVILIZED's Avatar

Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Up the mast, looking for clean wind.
Boat: Currently Shopping, & Heavily in LUST!
Posts: 5,629
Re: Benefits of whisker pole?

Here are a couple of threads on the topic worth skimming:
Whisker Pole
Do I REALLY need two poles?
Poling a Genoa advice please
__________________

The Uncommon Thing, The Hard Thing, The Important Thing (in Life): Making Promises to Yourself, And Keeping Them.
UNCIVILIZED is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-10-2017, 21:01   #12
Registered User

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Sidney, B.C, Canada
Boat: want a 40'+ high volume (comfort) economical cruising catamaran
Posts: 77
Re: Benefits of whisker pole?

Cats do not usually use whisker poles.
My friend who manufactured and sailed catamarans and crossed the Atlantic twice uses a running block on each bow and a symetric spinnaker hanked to the forestay.
A sheet through each block and down each side to winches.
Cheers, Catman
__________________
catman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-10-2017, 21:21   #13
Senior Cruiser
 
Jim Cate's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: May 2008
Location: cruising SW Pacific
Boat: Jon Sayer 1-off 46 ft fract rig sloop strip plank in W Red Cedar
Posts: 11,451
Re: Benefits of whisker pole?

How do you hank a symmetrical kite to the forestay? that sounds a bit odd to me!

Jim
__________________
Jim and Ann s/v Insatiable II , lying Port Cygnet, Tasmania once again
Jim Cate is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-10-2017, 21:47   #14
Registered User

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Sidney, B.C, Canada
Boat: want a 40'+ high volume (comfort) economical cruising catamaran
Posts: 77
Re: Benefits of whisker pole?

Actually I think he used a line that came out of the mast above the forstay.
Sorry!
Catman
__________________
catman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-10-2017, 01:51   #15
Senior Cruiser
 
StuM's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Port Moresby,Papua New Guinea
Boat: FP Belize Maestro 43
Posts: 6,712
Re: Benefits of whisker pole?

Quote:
Originally Posted by catman View Post
Actually I think he used a line that came out of the mast above the forstay.
Sorry!
Catman
AKA a spinnaker halyard.
__________________

__________________
StuM is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Want To Buy: whisker pole Australia Wanted a whisker pole timjf Classifieds Archive 0 18-04-2016 22:24
Whisker Pole sailorboy1 Deck hardware: Rigging, Sails & Hoisting 21 01-11-2010 17:30
Whisker Pole Needed in Caribbean? Janice Atlantic & the Caribbean 14 12-08-2009 17:21
WTB: Whisker Pole mmckee1952 Classifieds Archive 3 30-07-2009 11:17
Whisker/Spinnaker pole advise Greg S Seamanship & Boat Handling 6 23-07-2007 06:05



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 14:24.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.