Attaching Halyard

Rick1 · 06-06-2009, 06:50

I have been making a effort at learning how to eye splice double braid. Now that I have placed a fid deeply into my hand I would like to know what the best way is of attaching a halyard to a shackel besides splicing.

speciald@ocens. · 06-06-2009, 07:53

How about a "halyard knot" ( Catalogues - hints-and-advice - selden )?

sabray · 06-06-2009, 09:17

you should remove the fid from your hand before doing anything else.
You might try splicing again. You just learned what not to do with the fid. so the learning curve isn't as steep. I would guess that another hour of playing around you would get the hang of it.

Rick1 · 06-06-2009, 09:26

I will try the halyard knot for now. However I would really love to learn to splice. All the trouble begins when I am trying to get the fid past the y juntion. Its a real pain in the hand.

sabray · 06-06-2009, 09:49

I think where you are getting stuck (literally) is when pressing the fid through the cover. Usually you can bunch the cover up so it creates more room for the fid and core. If you are trying this on older rope it can be really hard.

http://www.samsonrope.com/site_files...Splice_Rev.pdf

cabo_sailor · 06-06-2009, 10:18

Personally, I have had great luck using the Brian Toss splicing wand along with his video on eye splicing. I now do all my splicing for double braid and 3-strand on board.

Rich

roverhi · 06-06-2009, 11:19

I use the good old bowline and forget about the shackle. Don't like shackles as they turn into missiles aimed at your head and really have no purpose except on spinnakers. Done 10's of thousands of miles without using a shackles anywhere.

A buntline hitch is also another useful knot as it will resist coming undone on a flogging sheet better than the bowline The Buntline Hitch

Personally have never had a bowline come undone as long as I tied the knot with at least six inches of loose tail to the knot.

s/v Jedi · 06-06-2009, 14:31

Well, the good thing about splicing & thimble is that it doesn't reduce the strength of the halyard as much as tying a knot.

About difficult splices: change to single braid vectran, no tools need to splice that. You can also step down a couple of sizes of halyard diameter.

I use the Wichard shackles that have a nylon thimble integrated.

ciao!
Nick.

hanschristian38 · 06-06-2009, 17:55

The instructions on the Yale Cordage site are the easiest to learn from in my opinion.
http://www.yalecordage.com/html/pdf/...ust_dbraid.pdf

s/v Jedi · 06-06-2009, 18:17

Ah, see my weblog post on making our new halyards: Nieuwe vallen: 01 Yale cordage

Text is Dutch but pictures tell all. I used Yale Cordage 3/8" vectran and a seperate polyester outer cover only where needed. The eye splice has full UV protection and the Flemish splice at the other end is for easy attachment of a messenger line.

ciao!
Nick.

Boats · 13-06-2009, 08:08

Once you have made all of the measurements with the correct size fid you can use the next size smaller to pass the line through. Simple trick and makes things easier.

Cacique · 22-06-2009, 17:21

I'm with roverhi If you get smacked in the head (Lets face it it does happen somerimes) it hurts a lot less if there isn't a metal fitting in there. PS I use a Cow hitch for my foresail (Yankee) it doesent snag on the inner forestay as much either

forsailbyowner · 22-06-2009, 18:07

Another method not mentioned is sewing then whipping. I've seen it mentioned in several rigging books. I've machine sewn several lazy jack systems that are still around years later.
Steve

RainDog · 22-06-2009, 19:37

I will second the use a bowline and skip the shackle. Unless you boat is very large, any rope that does not cut your hands will be very over sized for a halyard. Why go through the expense and hassle of a splice and a shackle? Just tie a bowline directly to the sail. This also makes it easier to end-for-end your lines. Also a bowline will not get jammed in the masthead sheaves, a splice will. Might as well Keep It Simple.

06-06-2009, 06:50	#1
Rick1 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Jacksonville, FL Boat: 1978 Hunter 25 Posts: 7	Attaching Halyard I have been making a effort at learning how to eye splice double braid. Now that I have placed a fid deeply into my hand I would like to know what the best way is of attaching a halyard to a shackel besides splicing.

22-06-2009, 17:21	#12
Cacique Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: UK Boat: Vancouver 27 Posts: 98	I'm with roverhi If you get smacked in the head (Lets face it it does happen somerimes) it hurts a lot less if there isn't a metal fitting in there. PS I use a Cow hitch for my foresail (Yankee) it doesent snag on the inner forestay as much either __________________ Cheers Jamie http://sailingcacique.googlepages.com/home

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06-06-2009, 07:53	#2
speciald@ocens. Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: On the boat - Carib, Chesapeake Boat: 58 Taswell AS Posts: 411	How about a "halyard knot" ( Catalogues - hints-and-advice - selden )?

06-06-2009, 09:17	#3
sabray Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Boat: corsair f-27, PETERSON 44 Posts: 223	you should remove the fid from your hand before doing anything else. You might try splicing again. You just learned what not to do with the fid. so the learning curve isn't as steep. I would guess that another hour of playing around you would get the hang of it.

06-06-2009, 09:26	#4
Rick1 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Jacksonville, FL Boat: 1978 Hunter 25 Posts: 7	I will try the halyard knot for now. However I would really love to learn to splice. All the trouble begins when I am trying to get the fid past the y juntion. Its a real pain in the hand.

06-06-2009, 09:49	#5
sabray Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Boat: corsair f-27, PETERSON 44 Posts: 223	I think where you are getting stuck (literally) is when pressing the fid through the cover. Usually you can bunch the cover up so it creates more room for the fid and core. If you are trying this on older rope it can be really hard. http://www.samsonrope.com/site_files...Splice_Rev.pdf

06-06-2009, 10:18	#6
cabo_sailor Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: SW Florida Boat: Cabo Rico 38 Posts: 283	Personally, I have had great luck using the Brian Toss splicing wand along with his video on eye splicing. I now do all my splicing for double braid and 3-strand on board. Rich

06-06-2009, 11:19	#7
roverhi Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kona, Hawaii Boat: Pearson 35 #108 Posts: 740	I use the good old bowline and forget about the shackle. Don't like shackles as they turn into missiles aimed at your head and really have no purpose except on spinnakers. Done 10's of thousands of miles without using a shackles anywhere. A buntline hitch is also another useful knot as it will resist coming undone on a flogging sheet better than the bowline The Buntline Hitch Personally have never had a bowline come undone as long as I tied the knot with at least six inches of loose tail to the knot.

06-06-2009, 14:31	#8
s/v Jedi Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Boat: Sundeer 64 - Jedi Posts: 1,522	Well, the good thing about splicing & thimble is that it doesn't reduce the strength of the halyard as much as tying a knot. About difficult splices: change to single braid vectran, no tools need to splice that. You can also step down a couple of sizes of halyard diameter. I use the Wichard shackles that have a nylon thimble integrated. ciao! Nick.

06-06-2009, 17:55	#9
hanschristian38 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Maine Boat: Defever 41 "Bear Holiday" Posts: 90	The instructions on the Yale Cordage site are the easiest to learn from in my opinion. http://www.yalecordage.com/html/pdf/...ust_dbraid.pdf

06-06-2009, 18:17	#10
s/v Jedi Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Boat: Sundeer 64 - Jedi Posts: 1,522	Ah, see my weblog post on making our new halyards: Nieuwe vallen: 01 Yale cordage Text is Dutch but pictures tell all. I used Yale Cordage 3/8" vectran and a seperate polyester outer cover only where needed. The eye splice has full UV protection and the Flemish splice at the other end is for easy attachment of a messenger line. ciao! Nick.

13-06-2009, 08:08	#11
Boats Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Corpus Christi, TX Boat: Olympic Adventure 47 Posts: 10	Once you have made all of the measurements with the correct size fid you can use the next size smaller to pass the line through. Simple trick and makes things easier.

22-06-2009, 18:07	#13
forsailbyowner Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Tampa to New York Boat: Morgan 33 OutIsland, Magic Posts: 445	Another method not mentioned is sewing then whipping. I've seen it mentioned in several rigging books. I've machine sewn several lazy jack systems that are still around years later. Steve

22-06-2009, 19:37	#14
RainDog Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Austin, TX Boat: Pacific Seacraft 34 #142 Posts: 67	I will second the use a bowline and skip the shackle. Unless you boat is very large, any rope that does not cut your hands will be very over sized for a halyard. Why go through the expense and hassle of a splice and a shackle? Just tie a bowline directly to the sail. This also makes it easier to end-for-end your lines. Also a bowline will not get jammed in the masthead sheaves, a splice will. Might as well Keep It Simple.