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Old 02-04-2011, 15:13   #16
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Re: Assessing Rig Condition: Second Hand Boat

Dawntreader,

You asked for a reference on rigging. Might I suggest "The Complete Rigger's Apprentice" by Brion Toss. He's a professional rigger in Washington state and also the author of "Chapman's Book of Knots". He has a variety of tools, books, videos as well as a discussion forum at his website. I use his splicing wands for double braid and highly recommend his video on making eye splices as well as his video on the 25 basic knots. His website is here:

Brion Toss Yacht Riggers, Sailboat Rigging

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Old 02-04-2011, 16:44   #17
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Re: Assessing Rig Condition: Second Hand Boat

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. Adjust the cone to the proper depth and relay the outer wires. Use a little anti-seize compound on the terminal threads and screw the terminal together. Cinch it up tight but do not use too much torque as it could actually weaken the terminal. Unscrew the terminal, inspect the wire wrap around the cone, goop up the wire with sealant, screw the terminal back togther and you are done. SIMPLE, SIMPLE, SIMPLE.

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Hmmm... seems to me that the instructions (at least for Sta-loks) require putting Locktite on the threads, not anti-seize.

While I agree that some lube on the threads seems like a good thing whilst assembling the fitting, having them unscrew under load is a very bad thing.

I'd sure check this advice out with the manufacturer of the fitting that you use.

But, doing the wire replacement is a pretty simple job and can save a lot of money. If you are really worried about tuning the rig, get a pro to help you with that after you do the wires yourself.

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Old 02-04-2011, 16:55   #18
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Re: Assessing Rig Condition: Second Hand Boat

I had a friend at the marina that replaced rigging using sta-locks. He spent an hour on the first one. I believe he was a bit embarrassed when someone pointed out that he was putting the cone in backward. After that, he zipped right through them.

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Re: Assessing rig condition on a cheap second Hand boat

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Any recommendations on good books on the subject of rigging and rig repair?
Dawntreader, no experince myself but I've read this book is highly regarded Amazon.com: The Complete Rigger's Apprentice: Tools and Techniques for Modern and Traditional Rigging (9780070648401): Brion Toss: Books .

Good luck with it all - inspiring stuff!
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Re: Assessing Rig Condition: Second Hand Boat

If you don't use anti-seize on some Norseman Terminals the threads can gall. Even if you've only made a 1/4 turn or so once they begin to gall, the terminals are toast. Very hard to tell when the galling begins but it locks them up tight almost instantly. Find it much easier and cheaper to just use anti-seize and not have the galling happen. I haven't had any issues with eye terminals but have had with the stud terminals. Now, I just use anti-seize on all of them. Once you put LifeCaulk or some other sealant in the terminals and screw them back together, they aren't going to come apart inadvertantly. Anyone know if LocTite has any anti-galling attribute?? You can try and clean up the threads and use LocTite but don't know how effective it would be. I've done more than 40 of these terminals and sailed them 10s of thousands of miles without any issues.

FWIW, Norsemans used to have a lock nut but it's been discontinued. Assume they left off the lock nut because they found it unnecessary.
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Re: Assessing Rig Condition: Second Hand Boat

Good afternoon. I just replaced a couple turnbuckles with the Sta-Lok system. It's easier than the instruction say. Good luck on the re-rig.
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Re: Assessing Rig Condition: Second Hand Boat

Can anyone burn me a DVD of the Brion Toss Video??. I've got the VHS version but my VHS player bit the dust and inconvenient to take down to the boat in any case. Can't find anyone here at the end of the world who can convert the VHS tape into a DVD and hate to spend $30 again. Will send you the VHS tape if you think I'm trying to rip off the video. PM me if you can help.

FWIW, the video is excellent for splicing almost any kind of line from 3 strand to the latest high tech single braids.
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Re: Assessing Rig Condition: Second Hand Boat

I just replaced the back stay on my boat and will be replacing the rest bit by bit. It pays to check prices. My rigging is 9/32". The back stay is 46' eye to eye, it is the longest stay on the boat. I was in WM and ask the price of the wire rope. they wanted more than $5.00 a ft. I stopped by Nance & Underwood Rigging and was quoted a price of $146.00 for the back stay with the terminal fittings hammer swaged. Norseman terminals would have been about $40.00 more. I have a Westsail that is cutter rigged, a bobstay, whisker stays and boomkin stays. It will cost less than $1200.00 to replace all. If I use Norsemans on the bottom a couple Hundred more. 1/2" jaw and jaw turnbuckles are about $70.00. Total is less than 2 grand.
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Re: Assessing Rig Condition: Second Hand Boat

West Marine is not the best deal in town from my experience. I paid about half their price for 316 9/32 wire at Svensens in Alameda. Be sure you are comparing apples and apples, though. 304 wire is cheaper and slightly stronger than 316 but bleeds way more rust especially in warm water. When we were in Papeete used to marvel at the bright shiny shiny stainless on the Euorpean boats while all the US boat's stainless was rusty and pitted. Turns out the Europeans used 316 SS while the US production boats were all using 304 at that time.

Keep an eye out on Ebay, there are good deals on Norsman's and StaLok's quite regularly. Hear there are some Chinese knockoffs of Norseman's out there so just be sure they are the real thing. Norseman's have the name lazered on them. The Chinese one's are reported to be substandard stainless.
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I'm in Ft.Lauderdale. I think the WM here is the largest they have. They are the Walmart of marine stores but charge about the highest prices. They match prices if I do my homework, but I would rather give my money to the local guy (Sailorman,BOW ,etc) who give me a fair price to start with. It was 316 at both.
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