Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 08-12-2008, 08:40   #46
Registered User
 
Jmolan's Avatar

Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Mexico/Alaska/Oregon
Boat: 34' Searunner Tri
Posts: 712
2 yrs on

Gashmore PM me and I will shoot a PDF from Hampidjan. Thanks for the engineering....:-)

Oh one thing I failed to point out. Allthough the 2 pieces I untucked the splice and respliced, were two years in the sun. I did not see ANY discoloration or did the line feel any stiffer or softer than the new stuff i was working with that day.
__________________

__________________
Jmolan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-12-2008, 08:54   #47
Registered User

Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 126
PM sent.
__________________

__________________
Gashmore is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-12-2008, 12:52   #48
Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 275
Thanks Jmolan.I admire your confidence that your metal eyes wont elongate and your plastic stuff wont degrade.
__________________
nonam is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-12-2008, 20:43   #49
Registered User
 
Jmolan's Avatar

Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Mexico/Alaska/Oregon
Boat: 34' Searunner Tri
Posts: 712
huh?

Quote:
Originally Posted by nonam View Post
Thanks Jmolan.I admire your confidence that your metal eyes wont elongate and your plastic stuff wont degrade.

If ya got no confidence ya never go over the horizon......:-)
(that is my polite answer)

What the He## are you talking about?
(I think your just jerking my chain)
__________________
Jmolan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-12-2008, 22:14   #50
Registered User

Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 77
Images: 1
How would this synthetic standing rigging material compare to solid rod rigging...
Thank you much,
J.P.
__________________
johnpair is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-12-2008, 00:55   #51
Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 275
Jmolan,sorry you think I am jerking your chain.My first boat had galvanised wires wrapped around eyes like your rope.After a bit of rough weather I found some of the eyes were distorting.I found the common one inch stainless tube would fit inside the eyes so I cut rounds to reinforce the eyes.I did have a situation where these rounds would stay in place under stress.
__________________
nonam is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-12-2008, 07:28   #52
Registered User

Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 126
The Precort and Colligo terminators are milled from solid aluminum blocks. Other than the pin and lashing holes there is no open space to distort. There were some pictures earlier in this thread showing Dux around heavy cast stainless thimbles though which seemed to be holding up well. I have a question about that though as Dux really does not like to make turns under at least 5 diameters.

J.P. From a strictly performance standpoint it is a trade off. Rod has the advantage of low stretch and less windage. Dux can be sized to equal the stretch at the expense of more windage. OTOH, the Dux will greatly reduce the weight aloft. Proper inspection of rod requires dies and microscopic examination. The signs of weakness in synthetics are excessive permanent stretch, abrasion and UV damage. All three of which are fairly easy to detect.

From an installation standpoint, professionally installed Dux should work out a little less expensive than rod and is a lot easier to ship and work with. A competent DIYer should be able to get the cost down fairly close to wire. Rod heading equipment is expensive and not available everywhere. In fact, Navtec headers are licensed and deliberately limited geographically. If a rod needs to be re-headed it would probably have to be sent off. The closest to me is in Charleston.
__________________
Gashmore is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-12-2008, 07:37   #53
Registered User
 
Jmolan's Avatar

Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Mexico/Alaska/Oregon
Boat: 34' Searunner Tri
Posts: 712
Rod rigging vs. Sythetics

Quote:
Originally Posted by johnpair View Post
How would this synthetic standing rigging material compare to solid rod rigging...
Thank you much,
J.P.
Dynex Dux | Colligo Synthetic Systems | Colligo Marine

http://www.colligomarine.com/docs/br...o_brochure.pdf

I think you can find what you need here J.P. I am not sure the cost compairisons are there for rod rigging though. I would suspect rod to be pretty spendy compare to wire/dux. I also would suspect rod to be better windage wise, at least going to weather. But again I am just guessing, I have never used or said a rod rigged boat.
__________________
Jmolan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-12-2008, 07:44   #54
Registered User
 
Jmolan's Avatar

Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Mexico/Alaska/Oregon
Boat: 34' Searunner Tri
Posts: 712
Quote:
Originally Posted by nonam View Post
Jmolan,sorry you think I am jerking your chain.My first boat had galvanised wires wrapped around eyes like your rope.After a bit of rough weather I found some of the eyes were distorting.I found the common one inch stainless tube would fit inside the eyes so I cut rounds to reinforce the eyes.I did have a situation where these rounds would stay in place under stress.
I gotcha now. No worries. It was just the very first post I had seen concerning the chance of eyes distorting. Kinda came outta nowhere..:-)
__________________
Jmolan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-12-2008, 09:52   #55
Registered User

Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 77
Images: 1
My first boat had rod rigging, I was new to sailing in the Lauderdale area. My buddy came down for the winter, he was one of those surf sail guys, and when there was wind, he knew what to do with it. We used to take that boat out for the afternoon and literally drive the pudding out of it. I remember the broker who sold it to me say, look at this stuff, solid rod, you guys are going to have some fun... The boat was already seventeen years old, when I bought it, the rod was original. As a precaution I went up and checked all the terminals every week. It would be interesting to find out what the statitistics are regarding age/stress application/failure of rod.
Thank you all,
J.P.
__________________
johnpair is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-12-2008, 18:32   #56
Registered User
 
Jmolan's Avatar

Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Mexico/Alaska/Oregon
Boat: 34' Searunner Tri
Posts: 712
Other thread

Looks like there is two threads going about Synthetics. I just posted over there. See if we gang the two together? After all I mean we are a splinter group of a sub set of a minority of a select eclectic bunch as it is right? I can't see splitting our little group into tow sects....oh my....:-)



Synthetic standing rigging
__________________
Jmolan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-12-2008, 18:11   #57
Registered User
 
Jmolan's Avatar

Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Mexico/Alaska/Oregon
Boat: 34' Searunner Tri
Posts: 712
Update

Got the spreaders finished and all the Dux attached. It does not look like much in this shot but I can assure you there is not a piece of wire on it. Was kinda hard to get a decent angle to get a shot.
You might be able to see the strings I use for halyards also. 3/16 Dynex with 3/8 or 7/16 cored stuff with the core taken out for ten feen or so and the dynext stuffed inside. Bigest problem so far has been how the sing in the wind. I mean they can really get singing...:-).
Should get all this onboard and out on the water inside of two weeks.
I talked to guy who came by today. Has a 32' CC Trimaran. Has used Dux for a year now. Full time sailor. No engine or electricity etc. He was glad to see me trying the 9mm with hanked on sails as that is the last wore left for him is his headstay. When I ask him how he like the Dux after a year he said. "Wire is dead man, why would you ever want to go back to wire"...:-)
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	PC130211.jpg
Views:	222
Size:	496.5 KB
ID:	6213   Click image for larger version

Name:	PC130213.jpg
Views:	226
Size:	478.2 KB
ID:	6214  

__________________
Jmolan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-12-2008, 18:31   #58
Registered User

Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Mid-Willamette Valley area, Oregon
Boat: Searunner 34 Trimaran
Posts: 80
Send a message via Skype™ to Rann
Nice work, mate. Keep it up and you will be in the water soon.

Rann
__________________
Rann is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-12-2008, 21:29   #59
Registered User

Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 77
Images: 1
Why couldn't the standing rigging be located inside the mast.
I remember the first tri and biplanes with all these wires between the airfoils.
Anybody seen a 747 with keel and deck masts and guy wires?
Stuff that wears out, sitting at the dock, when you're not even using the boat?
One recent American Vendee Globe finisher was an example of NO standing rigging.
Progress, Gentlemen, progress.
And, of course, a grain of salt.
__________________
johnpair is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-12-2008, 21:42   #60
Registered User

Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 126
You can do it if you have the bucks. Freedom Yachts have a stayless mast but half the cost of the boat was in the spars.
__________________

__________________
Gashmore is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
rigging

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Synthetic Oil vs Conventional Oil GnarlyMon Construction, Maintenance & Refit 20 26-11-2012 06:56
All-New Rigging from Scratch - But How ? Ryan H Deck hardware: Rigging, Sails & Hoisting 5 04-10-2011 14:18
Rigging Inspection Needed - Bristol, RI Iain Deck hardware: Rigging, Sails & Hoisting 13 15-08-2011 15:53
Hammocks and Stress on Standing Rigging rhumbunctious Deck hardware: Rigging, Sails & Hoisting 8 06-08-2011 10:08
Affordable Synthetic Standing Rigging jfranta Commercial Posts 0 23-07-2011 07:09



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 19:25.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.