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Old 05-03-2012, 10:38   #31
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That's interesting and yes we have a large table. What tyoe of heater do you think would work under the table?
I dont know, what does your table look like? Why not just a smaller Webasto forced air diesel heater? Exhaust ducting is the issue I guess. Is the table against a bulkhead or have the mast going through it? Maybe the small exhaust duct could just run up to the cabin top? It's just a wild idea I guess.
I had a Toyoset kerosene forced air heater on my 44 footer. I made a tiled alcove just forward of the mast (bulkhead in main cabin just aft of the head) It had no ducting and a small exhaust pipe going straight up. SImple. Two outlets which swiveled so I could aim them where I wanted. Toasty and super quiet.
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Old 05-03-2012, 10:53   #32
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Everything that needs electricity is apintha, my Walls lies nicely buried on the bottom of the Northsea. A most useless piece of equipment. Draining the batteries and slurping costly
lampoil.

In that boat I bought a Taylor-Blake. Finit de la moeuche.

In my present one I have the Foetsjie. Heats up a palace and burns a little. I fuel it on Zibro, a bit costly but not smelly at all.
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Old 05-03-2012, 11:13   #33
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I have just installed a two outlet Webasto ST2000 unit in April Lass, took 3 full days work and a couple of trips down to the boat to work it all out and measure up what lengths were required. Stern cockpit locker into heads, through engine compartment gave access to rear and main cabins areas

A good quality set of tank cutters made light work of cutting the holes neatly in the bulkheads. A dremel made light work of cutting the oval exhaust hole in the side of the hull.

Wiring was all quite straight forward apart from the fuel pump which has a solenoid so works by slugs of volts rather than constant supply of 12v. Useful to know and dabbing the post wire results in the fuel system being able to be bleed.

Worth reading all the instruction leaflets you can find, particularly Eber/Webasto/Wallis so you get the general idea of good installations.

If you can find the route it is all do-able at minimal cost, just takes time and some thought.

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Old 05-03-2012, 19:26   #34
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Thanks everybody for the feedback on this. I am looking at all options, but still cannot see a logical path for the ducting. Lazzarette to mid cabin on starboard looks doable, mid cabin forward on port looks OK, but no crossover point, and also aft cabin bit of a problem. Was hoping somebody with the same boat would see my post and be able to offer up a solution. Oh well, I will be patient.
The normal installation by beneteau, is to put the espar unit in the aft locker, ducting is simple to aft cabins and main saloon, ( as is exhaust, which on a sail boat needs to exit high up on the transom, forward V is very hard to reach, often this is rarely heated as a result. ( also efficiency is very reduced at that length) Installation of the airtronics units is simple, I can't recommend the hydronics units at all.

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Old 03-04-2012, 01:58   #35
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a couple of fotos showing my heater and pot cooker or water heater,works a treat.remember to leave the companion way hatch open a sliver.
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charcoal heater? we just sailed in -2 Solent day all day with a toasty warm sigma 33.
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I had an Espar rep install a D-4 in our 33' boat. Against my wishes he ran a ton of air duct. I couldn't see the point.

I our 44' center cockpit I installed a D-4 over the engine with a very short duct into the main salon. Heats the main salon a charm in Delaware. Probably about similar to your winter.

Aft cabin stays chilly, but that is OK. Sleeping bags and cuddling.

It helps to close off the forepeak and other small cabin.

I found the install pretty simple and I surely did a better job than the 'pro.' Sure was a LOT cheaper too. I think I ended up under $2k, and that included some extra exhaust hose and insulation.

I bought from Greg Landyut at Lubrication Specialist. He was helpful then and quickly returns emails. Two days ago I mailed him and asked for a list of spare parts for my summer trip, he got right back to me with suggestions. Decent prices also.

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We installed a D4 too. It's an easy install and all you need is the kit:

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which you can pick up on ebay, for example.

If you're prepared to wait around a few weeks you'll find an "Eberspacher D4 kit" going cheap.

There are many places you can install. One of the more popular places would be in the rear-berth between the fuel tank and the engine compartment. You can run the exhaust through the back of the engine compartment, to the aft cavity and out over the side, and you have easy access to the fuel tank. I'd advise you place the fuel inlet probe such that it doesn't reach the bottom of the tank. That way you'll sleep safe knowing that you're not going to wake up to an empty tank - i think we had ours set to leave 1/8th tank.

From that location it's easy to run 1 single hose air to an outlet mounted on the kick-plate underneath the sofa's in the saloon. The all controller requires a is a simple lead and can be mounted at your nav station, for example.

Seriously, i'd save the $8000 and do it yourself - it's really not a hard job at all and you'll need a few tools, a drill with a hole-cutter and some patience. The fiddliest bit to the whole process is putting the exhaust through-hull somewhere about a foot below the after comings. You're probably going to come up in around $300 in tools and 3M 4200/5200 goop if you're starting with nothing. If you're planned and organized you're looking at a 1 day job.

The D4s work extremely well and are very dependable - truck drivers in the far north wouldn't use them as cabin heaters if they were junk. They pull very little fuel, make no noise once they've spun up and produce a constant flow of heat out of the vents.

The good news is that they're modular, so you can always buy more air-conduit parts and outlets in the future if you want to expand the system to more than just the saloon (the head for example) - getting the core diesel heater in is the most time-consuming part.

Worth a thought.

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charcoal heater? we just sailed in -2 Solent day all day with a toasty warm sigma 33.

That's fantastic! Were you not tempted to throw a few sausages on or didn't you want to risk the permanent smell of pork fat in the cabin?
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That's fantastic! Were you not tempted to throw a few sausages on or didn't you want to risk the permanent smell of pork fat in the cabin?

Sausage sandwiches all the way back to Swanwick!
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Sausage sandwiches all the way back to Swanwick!
Sausage sandwiches all 'round after a day on deck in the fresh air - now THAT's practical seamanship I bet there were smiles from gunwale to gunwale!
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Thanks everybody for the feedback on this. I am looking at all options, but still cannot see a logical path for the ducting. Lazzarette to mid cabin on starboard looks doable, mid cabin forward on port looks OK, but no crossover point, and also aft cabin bit of a problem. Was hoping somebody with the same boat would see my post and be able to offer up a solution. Oh well, I will be patient.


One of the many advantages of a hydronic system is that you don't need to run any ducts. Instead you are running water hose to the fan heaters which is 3/4" instead of 3" duct. My system uses an OL-60 furnace to push 90,000 BTU's worth of fan heaters and defrosters for the pilothouse windows. Heats the whole boat beautifully with four different zones and individual control in each head. Also provides endless hot water. I love it.
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