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Old 13-04-2011, 18:32   #16
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Re: International Gas Fittings

If you intend to switch to camping gaz, then I suggest you buy the appropriate camping gaz regulator as well and plumb into the low pressure side of the gas system. Given that the camoing gaz clyinder with no exchange is about 60 euros, the regulator will seem cheap!

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Old 14-04-2011, 09:45   #17
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Its not only the fittings, its also the pressure,
some use 30millibar, and some 50 millibar, that will also make a problem with the burner in the stove. it has to be adusted.

isent it fun
Where is it an issue?

We sailed round without any changes / adjustment to the stove ever. We used propane / butane whichever was available locally.

So, my question is: what stove is the vulnerable type, so that I can avoid the mistake when getting a new one for our ship.

Ours is something labelled LP Pacific (today probably Plastimo EU version).

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Old 14-04-2011, 10:15   #18
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Where is it an issue?

We sailed round without any changes / adjustment to the stove ever. We used propane / butane whichever was available locally.

So, my question is: what stove is the vulnerable type, so that I can avoid the mistake when getting a new one for our ship.

Ours is something labelled LP Pacific (today probably Plastimo EU version).
In a lot of cases most stoves will handle the higher pressures of propane ( and the higher burning temps.. Some stoves reccomend a change of nozzles ( mine do) to switch from propane to butane.

Mostly its works, sometimes it doesnt.

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Old 14-04-2011, 10:16   #19
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Re: International Gas Fittings

Saucy, go simple, go kero, infinite number of container and refilling options, just an around better product - you soon get the hang of lighting it, the smell can become your friend and one always has time to burn when cruising (weak pun intended).
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Re: International Gas Fittings

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Where is it an issue?

We sailed round without any changes / adjustment to the stove ever. We used propane / butane whichever was available locally.

So, my question is: what stove is the vulnerable type, so that I can avoid the mistake when getting a new one for our ship.

Ours is something labelled LP Pacific (today probably Plastimo EU version).

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It will work, but not as good as it normaly will.
a burner with 30 millibar pressure also gets blown out faster if wind comes down to it, compered to a burner with 50 millibar.
But it works, or let us say, the gas will burn without adjusting the burners.
I dont know how many country`s uses 50 miliibar, Norway do, and i think most off europe use 30 millibar.
Its more importent to have a gass alarm if leaks happens, and a good el. shut off valve.

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Old 14-04-2011, 10:45   #21
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Re: International Gas Fittings

The EU is supoosed to be standarising on 30Mb for both propane and butane, buts as with everthing regional variances abound as yet.


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yeah right try finding kerosene in mainland Europe

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The EU is supoosed to be standarising on 30Mb for both propane and butane, buts as with everthing regional variances abound as yet.




yeah right try finding kerosene in mainland Europe

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When I last checked, mainland Europe was awash with airports but maybe things have changed and they don't fly those big jetliners there anymore
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Re: International Gas Fittings

of course, I forget , yes of course wander into the major airports , waving a tin can and babbling about cooking your sausages etc. do it , please try that

ps. of course you have a tin can that takes a 2" nozzle and 100gph flow rate, but sure of course you do!.

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Re: International Gas Fittings

Well pilots seem to manage OK, perhaps its a uniform thing....
Anyway, I guess Saucy isn't really going to convince HWMO to go kero...

Now where is that tongue in cheek emoticon!
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Well pilots seem to manage OK,
wow, i didnt think they cooked their sausages in the cockpit, with a bit of Kero, but hey you learn something new every day

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Re: International Gas Fittings

Yep, they do, much better than the standard airline fare and I have even heard they brew their own coffee...

Not sure how to relate this back to cruising but as Saucy is a new mod and the OP, she might let it slide
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Yep, they do, much better than the standard airline fare and I have even heard they brew their own coffee...
thats explains all those locked cockpit doors in teh last few years. stop the passangers getting to the home cooked stuff.

As to teh massive thread drift, gas fittings are boring
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While EuroNorm EN1949 exists to standardise all LPG gases to 30mb ( propane or butane), its still a fact of life that pressure in european clyinders varies quite significantly, so you may need a local regulator as well.
I'm getting confused now, isn't the 30mB after the regulator??
Can you get different pressures in the cylinders? Can't see how that works ignoring temperature and gas mix. The grp bottles i use now are 80psi with UK propane, they were about 50psi i think with grenada propane/butane mix, at least that's what the gauge between the bottle & reg says.

With propane the flame seems a tiny bit less than camping gaz but can't tell the difference day to day, maybe if I measured the length of time to boil a cuppa it might show up but I can't tell.
hopefully will be much easier borrowing a bottle to decant than trying to find a friendly local with a residents card to buy a new bottle or finding a place where they just don't care.
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Yep, they do, much better than the standard airline fare and I have even heard they brew their own coffee...

Not sure how to relate this back to cruising but as Saucy is a new mod and the OP, she might let it slide
Erm, it's all over my head... Me I know how to flick the switch, fill the line and boil the kettle. If the gas bottle things doesn't work out, then I'll drink water instead....

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thats explains all those locked cockpit doors in teh last few years. stop the passangers getting to the home cooked stuff.

As to teh massive thread drift, gas fittings are boring
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Was there thread drift? I didn't spot any - you'll have to help out the poor liddle new moderator out a liddle here and tell me where. No don't, actually.
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I'm getting confused now, isn't the 30mB after the regulator??
Can you get different pressures in the cylinders? Can't see how that works ignoring temperature and gas mix. The grp bottles i use now are 80psi with UK propane, they were about 50psi i think with grenada propane/butane mix, at least that's what the gauge between the bottle & reg says.

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That is the reasons for the regulator. It provides a low constant pressure (0.5psi approx) from a higher pressure in the tank. The tank pressure changes with fill sources, temperature and amount in the tank. From the time you fill your tank and start using the propane the pressure starts to drop. Different countries have different gas mix as well as different regulations as to allowable fill amounts. If they will fill your tank (depends on whether or not they accept the type of tank you have)and so long as they stay below the pressure your tank is rated for the only thing you should have to worry about is tank adapters for fill up. However.....
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