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Old 25-12-2012, 11:55   #16
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In a harbor that's not ndz just open it at night on the outgoing tide. Kind of gross to have that stuff floating around during the day, treated or not.
Not only is it gross, it is illegal to dump untreated sewage anywhere within the 3-mile zone in the U.S. Considering that you do you your own hull cleaning, I am frankly shocked that you would pull a dick move like this, regardless of what country you are currently in.
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Old 25-12-2012, 12:30   #17
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Re: How Popular Are Marine Waste Treatment Systems?

Seaweed growth on hulls in enclosed waters helps to keep the water clean - like wetlands sewage treatment. Perhaps an argument for not cleaning your hull so often.

While I know full treatment is good for densely populated areas with near shore discharges I am yet to find any science that says for wilderness anchorages treated effluent is better for the environment than macerated raw effluent. The 3-mile limit would seem to support non-treatment where good dilution is available.
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Old 25-12-2012, 12:33   #18
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Seaweed growth on hulls in enclosed waters helps to keep the water clean - like wetlands sewage treatment. Perhaps an argument for not cleaning your hull so often.
Oh brother. Talk about rationalization.
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Oh brother. Talk about rationalization.
Thought you might like that one.
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Old 30-12-2012, 17:56   #20
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Not only is it gross, it is illegal to dump untreated sewage anywhere within the 3-mile zone in the U.S.

That is ridiculous! As I stated in an earlier post, pounding your chest believing you have just saved Mother Earth by instituting uncompromising regulations and laws that converts otherwise law abiding citizens into law breakers is not the right way to go. It is too bad that environmentalist have succeeded cramming this stuff though our state governments. And do not think 3 miles off shore is really only 3 miles. In Massachusetts 3 miles begins at the shore lines of our off shore islands.

Time to get real, institute laws, realistic laws if states want compliance. A good first step toward that goal is to approve workable onboard waste treatment systems to discharge waste. There are many including myself who would install such systems. On a side note I notice you're from California... lets see how long it takes for your new cap & trade laws to further kill your industries. They passed under a banner of saving Mother Earth but in reality they will only enrich Moon Beam's government treasury.

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Re: How Popular Are Marine Waste Treatment Systems?

This year when I was moored in 79th st Boat Basin in Manhattan they told us there was going to be an Ironman race come through the mooring field Saturday.
On the Thursday someone close upriver released 3.4 MILLION Gallons of effluent into the Hudson River.
I bet pounds to penny's the ironman race would be cancelled.
But two days later thousands of Ironmen swam through it! No one died.... But one guy was knocked unconscious by a huge poop.


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[QUOTE=MarkJ;1118277] No one died.... But one guy was knocked unconscious by a huge poop.

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That must have have hurt the orginal owner coming out
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Old 31-12-2012, 06:37   #23
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A while back I wrote a piece for Latitudes & Attitudes explaining the 3 mile mile limit, you can read it here:Project Boat Zen - The Three Mile Limit
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Not only is it gross, it is illegal to dump untreated sewage anywhere within the 3-mile zone in the U.S. Considering that you do you your own hull cleaning, I am frankly shocked that you would pull a dick move like this, regardless of what country you are currently in.
But it is ok to grind it up and treat. It with a little chlorine and discharge it. That isn't a lot less gross.
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Old 01-01-2013, 13:37   #25
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But it is ok to grind it up and treat. It with a little chlorine and discharge it. That isn't a lot less gross.
Look- I earn my living in the water, in marinas, under boats. So I'm very biased. I am never going to do anything but advocate against overboard discharges, whether they are treated or not. The water is my place of business. I don't come into anybody's office and take a dump on the carpet in front of thier desk. All I ask is that boaters extend to me the same courtesy.
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Re: How Popular Are Marine Waste Treatment Systems?

Nobody likes living in poop lagoon. One should use their holding tank when they can and not be too lazy to walk up to the loo at the top of the dock. My beef is the storm drains. Any brown trout in a harbor is small in comparison to all crap, plastic and yes, condoms I see floating by my boat after a rain. I would estimate storm drains produce 1000:1 of the problem compared to a boater. But I guess city run-off is sacred and cannot be touched. I do not see any plans for reclamation of city drain off.
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I do not see any plans for reclamation of city drain off.
That's because as society we aren't willing to spend the billions upon billions of dollars to do it! As simple as that!
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That's because as society we aren't willing to spend the billions upon billions of dollars to do it! As simple as that!
Depends where the pressure comes from. Remember PCB's, DDT and Super Fund sites? Cost billions and billions to clean up and rightly so.
It's just that the little guy (boaters) do not have the Lawyers like they have. But eventually it will get cleaned up. 250 years ago, cities merely dumped raw sewage out of their windows in the streets. Watch where you step...
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This is one of those subjects that has no simple answer. In my mind treated waste is fine, the harmful bacteria has been killed leaving simple organic waste no worse than the silt and rotting vegetation. And I agree it is unfair of governments to come down hard on boaters while at the same time dumping millions of gallons of raw sewage. I too have seen the floating condoms once outside of NYC they were so thick I though it would clog my engine intake. One wrong does not make a right we each have to do our part as best we can. I do agree the waste dumped by governments by far exceeds the boats but boaters have to do their part as well. Going back the original question I have seen most waste treatment systems on boats are never maintained so that they do work properly and i am not sure treating with chemicals is the best way to go. This is one of those issues with no simple answer.
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