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Old 13-08-2018, 14:56   #61
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Re: How many HEADS does a boat really need?

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We sailed small open boats while young, when we could afford our first keel boat with a head it took my wife years to train me to stop pissing over the side.

Mine still hasn't managed that.
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Old 13-08-2018, 16:29   #62
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Mine still hasn't managed that.
...nor would I want her to.

Come to think of it, I think she’s happy I go over the side when at anchor. Reduces our dump frequency. In fact, I keep encouraging her to do the same. So far, no joy .
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Old 13-08-2018, 19:44   #63
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Re: How many HEADS does a boat really need?

42' with 2 heads, one on each tack. But 1 would suffice - EXCEPT - about 3 years ago 1 broke. Not the pump but the actual head. While replacing it with a new one THE OTHER ONE BROKE the same way!!!! Fortunately we were not cruising yet. At the time we owned the boat for only a few years and no problems before that. We serviced them regularly.
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Old 14-08-2018, 15:33   #64
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One is more than enough trouble thanks
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Old 14-08-2018, 19:09   #65
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Re: How many HEADS does a boat really need?

Thailand is having a debate about a related issue: the number of marine toilets on fishing trawlers.

The issue gains international attention partly because Thailand trawler operators usually use immigrant labour under conditions that some liken to "slave labour".

The debate so far has two sides.

One side argues that a trawler should have 1 marine toilet for every 4 crew.

The other side argues that doing that (and going along with the other labour demands, such as each vessel having a library and a fitness/recreation room, and providing crew with adequate food, water, medicine, and telecommunications to communicate with their family) would destroy the Thai fishing industry.

And, following a long tradition, no one discusses who would clean or maintain the marine toilet.

See: Special report : Fishing boat operators irked by govt move to improve working conditions
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Old 14-08-2018, 19:55   #66
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Re: How many HEADS does a boat really need?

Library LOL.

99% of fishing crews that part of the world would not even be literate in their own first language, and there would be many many different ones of those.

The Thai Navy was selling Rohingya refugees to the shrimpers supplying Aldi.

Just not getting thrown overboard when asking about payday would be a big improvement.

"liken to" my foot.
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Old 15-08-2018, 18:44   #67
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Re: How many HEADS does a boat really need?

Since you use the word need in the question I will respond with zero. But one is nice and two is better if there is a problem with one. This logic may be carried to infinity in it's infinite silly.
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Re: How many HEADS does a boat really need?

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We sailed small open boats while young, when we could afford our first keel boat with a head it took my wife years to train me to stop pissing over the side.
Has your wife talked to you yet about pissing off the back of the deck at home? If not, expect that discussion as well.
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Re: How many HEADS does a boat really need?

Two is fine, three is 50% better.
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Re: How many HEADS does a boat really need?

I was just on a boat that had 12! Could not imagine life at sea without them!
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Re: How many HEADS does a boat really need?

3, because a boat needs three of everything: one to break, one to drop in water, leaving one good one.
With heads, two are good. Three ok, but not one.
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Old 17-08-2018, 07:49   #72
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Re: How many HEADS does a boat really need?

It depends on how many crew have irritable bowel syndrome...
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Left N American shores after a long spell ashore and shook my head in amazement at the one bath per bed mindset in homes there. To see the same thinking now directed toward boats is just...beyond belief !!!
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One. Until that one isn’t working and then you really wish you had two!
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Old 17-08-2018, 11:40   #75
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Re: How many HEADS does a boat really need?

Here's my head: https://www.amazon.com/Reliance-Prod...dp/B000FIDZLI/

I've been using it for years. It uses a ziplock bag inside, which I just toss in the harbor dumpster. Offshore, I skip the bag (it's plastic) and empty the bucket overboard.

If the ladies don't like it, I recommend "direct deposit" at the shrouds. (Yeah, I'm brutal.)

Properly sealed with its lid, it won't dump its contents in a knockdown, unlike some other porta potties.

My 1963 boat had no holding tank - just a direct dump to the sea. Since I'm a licensed master I can't plead ignorance of the law, and the CG would throw the book at me. So I had the old head removed and the throughhulls sealed (throughhulls are evil anyway - my boat now has only three). The CG is fine with my "portable" head. It was a little funny when I got boarded once and had to warn them not to "stick their hand down in there." I've considered putting a "biohazard" warning on it for the next time I get boarded, in case I'm not looking when they go to inspect it.

On other boats I've skippered, I've found that about half the underway maintenance effort was devoted to fixing the heads, and many of the boat cabins reeked of hydrogen sulfide (rotten eggs) because of the challenges of sealing the holding tank. I avoid all those issues with my maintenance-free head.

H2S by the way, is considered "immediately dangerous to life and health" at 100 parts per million (about twice the concentration where you can first smell it) and lethal at 500 parts per million. Just a whiff of it goes a long way toward inducing seasickness.
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