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View Poll Results: What Head Do You Have And Are You Satisfied With It Poll
<$200 Manual Pump Head ~Satisfied 41 20.10%
<$200 Manual Pump Head ~Unsatisfied 2 0.98%
>$200 Manual Pump Head ~Satisfied 41 20.10%
>$200 Manual Pump Head ~Unsatisfied 2 0.98%
Vacuum Head ~Satisfied 20 9.80%
Vacuum Head ~Unsatisfied 0 0%
Electric Head ~Satisfied 41 20.10%
Electric Head ~Unsatisfied 6 2.94%
Composting Style Head ~Satisfied 34 16.67%
Composting Style Head ~Unsatisfied 1 0.49%
Bucket And Chuck It ~Satisfied 4 1.96%
Bucket And Chuck It ~Unsatisfied 0 0%
Other...? 6 2.94%
Porti Potties! Duh! ~Satisfied 4 1.96%
Porti Potties! Duh! ~Unsatisfied 2 0.98%
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Old 28-12-2013, 16:19   #121
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I'm surprised to see ca. 20% here indicating that they have composting heads. Along my cruising routeing from Maine and down through the Bahamas I rarely meet anyone with a composting head. I like the composting idea, but I have failed to convince my wife that it's a resonable plan. We are remaining with our two manual heads, each with their own holding tank. Here's our forward head.....


....Yes, that is a goosehead pump handle,- Watch Out!
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I'm surprised to see ca. 20% here indicating that they have composting heads. Along my cruising routeing from Maine and down through the Bahamas I rarely meet anyone with a composting head. I like the composting idea, but I have failed to convince my wife that it's a resonable plan. We are remaining with our two manual heads, each with their own holding tank. Here's our forward head.....


....Yes, that is a goosehead pump handle,- Watch Out!


Is that a brass ducks head cane for the pump handle? Awesome! Where do I get one?
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Old 28-12-2013, 16:26   #123
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I guess I did take it from a "duck head" cane, but in a rolling sea we've learned to call it the goose!
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Dang, I want fuzzy seat cover for the head, but the hubby put his foot down love the goose handle!

our finished head, going to paint something pretty on the front panel, a tree or something. posting full eye candy on the compost head thread when I can
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Dang, I want fuzzy seat cover for the head, but the hubby put his foot down love the goose handle!

our finished head, going to paint something pretty on the front panel, a tree or something. posting full eye candy on the compost head thread when I can
Nice looking head. So is that pretty much the "bucket method"?
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Bucket without the chuck it.
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Nice looking head. So is that pretty much the "bucket method"?



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uh er, yes the bucket method
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Its a refined, cultured bucket...
You're bucket looks so top drawer.

Are you going to add some detail shots to your blog? take one for the team.
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As an example of what an idiot I am: This made me LOL.
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We just bought a Catalina 30. One of the first things
I did was rip out the head. I'd post a picture of it but
don't want to gross y'all out.

I intend to put in a composting toilet.

Anyone have a composting toilet install on a Catalina 30
or similar and would you be willing to show pix or give tips?
What kind fits best? There's not much of a pedestal.
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Hey Bill, I couldn't get pics to load in a PM, so here's my setup. As it works just sitting there, I've been slack about securing it, and hooking up the vent. Note my Cal has a 6" platform and the cabin sole is also the hull contour so it's a hike to get seated on it. I could extend the platform but lose headroom in the shower. Still mulling over the whole permanent "install."

I bought the angled back model as you can see the hull curvature behind. The angled back allowed me to slide the C Head closer to the bulkhead, providing add'l storage space, where the factory wet head took up the whole area.

My only dissatisfaction is that in reading the lit, I thought one could get months of use before needing to empty the bucket. I'm getting 4-6 weeks. The bucket isn't full but there's enough material by then to make it tough to use the agitator. This may well be compounded by the lack of venting. I hope so but that said, it's not an awful job to empty the bucket. 10 min a month, say, and no worries about thru hulls. And no stink.
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Thanks BC.

From some pix I'm guessing the pedestal is about 6 inches
high, 12" deep on the left side tapering to only about 6"
on the right. On the C-head site, one illustration shows
a false floor extending out over the shower sump to put
your feet on. Might try that.
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Are you going to add some detail shots to your blog? take one for the team.
Yes, I will have a page on our blog dedicated to the start to finish project with updates on any issues. I get a lot of questions
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P.S. -- concerning fresh versus sea water flush --

I'm using sea water and have no odor issues whatsoever, except only for that first flush after having been away from the boat for a while (dead critters syndrome).

I think that most of the problems associated with sea water flush can be avoided by simply flushing enough water through after every use to flush all the way through the plumbing. Many people don't realize how much water it takes to get all the way through the very long hose leads through a vented loop.

We have never had any problem with calcification in the lines, either -- and I am just about certain this is because of thorough flushing. Fresh water flushing, by the way, will use a lot of fresh water if you flush thoroughly enough. I like the idea that I can flush as much as I want without depleting the fresh water tank.
I agree with your thoughts on thoroughly flushing out the hoses after each use to avoid bad smells. I put a Groco model K in my previous boat and bought a rebuild kit at the same time. When I sold the boat 11 years later I still hadn't opened the rebuild kit and I'd had zero problems with it. One nice thing about a big, rugged, head like the model K is that each stroke pumps a pretty large amount of water so it it's actually feasible to flush out the hoses regularly. I used to tell guests to give it an extra 20 pumps (figuring they might do 10) after everything disappeared from the bowl and I never had any odor problems at all. So, I was very satisfied with the Groco model K.

But my new boat came with two Vacuflush heads and the previous owner raved about how great they are. I have 200 gallons of water tanks and a water maker so it's probably feasible to use them. But not if I were to be pumping enough water to flush out about 4' (up to the vented loop) of 1.5" waste hose every time it's used. So, that means to avoid odors, instead of pumping waste directly overboard, I'm going to have to use the holding tank on a regular basis and then pump that out with the macerator pump or at the dock pumpout station. We'll see how it goes.....but if it doesn't seem to be working out, my fallback position would be to install a Groco model K in the aft head that just my wife and I use, and keep the more simple to use vacuflush in the forward head for kids/guests to use. This makes sense to me because that forward head frequently will go longer periods of time between uses so will be more affected by dead critter syndrome from sea water sitting in the bowl and hoses, and the vacuflush is so easy to explain how to use to guests who aren't accustomed to using pumps or valves or any other marine head considerations.

I'm surprised by the number of folks with composting heads aboard boats. I wouldn't have thought it was practical and I'm still not sure it is if they are dumping the waste before it actually has time to compost thoroughly. A few seem to be successful at making them actually work as intended but it seems that many are using them as expensive porta potties where quite often the raw waste is being manually disposed of before it can really decompose.

I quite accidentally learned about the effectiveness of composting at my families summer cottage on a lake. We had a standard house toilet and the sewer pipe lead to a 2'X2'X3' non watertight box buried about 6" or less below the ground a few feet in back of the cottage. The box was made of creosote soaked telephone pole crossarms (what passed for pressure treated in the '60's). After at least 20 years of 6 people living in that cottage for 3 months of the year we finally had a problem with flushing so decided to dig it up and investigate during springtime when it hadn't been used in 8 months. What we found astonished me. The problem had been caused by the creosote box collapsing around one side so dirt was clogging the pipe outlet. But the rest of the box was largely empty except for a couple inches of what looked like peat moss that had absolutely no odor. After all that waste and well more than a thousand rolls of toilet paper had been flushed down that toilet, there was absolutely no sign of any of it, just some odorless peat moss and not much of that. So, I'm completely sold on the concept of composting, but don't see how the size constraints and the way most people use their boats would allow it to work properly.
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... I'm surprised by the number of folks with composting heads aboard boats. I wouldn't have thought it was practical and I'm still not sure it is if they are dumping the waste before it actually has time to compost thoroughly. A few seem to be successful at making them actually work as intended but it seems that many are using them as expensive porta potties where quite often the raw waste is being manually disposed of before it can really decompose. ...
Yep. I'm in that second category. It's a concern. Perhaps OG's earlier suggestion of a separate holding bin on the dock for composting waste was better than I thought at first. Time may be the missing element. Bet the more successful composters have a separate pail for longer term storage/composting. I will try that next time. In fact, that idea may be in the instructions. Like the Affordable Health Care Act, one would have to read the instructions to know what's in them.
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