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Old 16-12-2014, 18:12   #1
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What Is This Called? Traditional Wheel Position?

Hello.

Most recently built boats have their wheel on a pedestal in the cockpit.

I have come across a few boats that have the wheel NOT on a pedestal, but in a position that looks like those on more traditional (older) styled boats or old boats.

I don't know what this position of wheel is called. I am curious. What is this type of wheel position called?
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Re: What Is This Called? Traditional Wheel Position?

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Hello.

Most recently built boats have their wheel on a pedestal in the cockpit.

I have come across a few boats that have the wheel NOT on a pedestal, but in a position that looks like those on more traditional (older) styled boats or old boats.

I don't know what this position of wheel is called. I am curious. What is this type of wheel position called?
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Re: What Is This Called? Traditional Wheel Position?

I had an Eventide with that sort of wheel conversion.
I put it back to Tiller. (Back in the 80s)
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Re: What Is This Called? Traditional Wheel Position?

Uncomfortable to steer? Awkward? Great for backing up?

I dunno...

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Uncomfortable to steer? Awkward? Great for backing up?

I dunno...

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Might be originally designed for Med Mooring and that would make it easier when backing into the marina position assigned to the boat.

Yes, this does look more uncomfortable to me, but then I am accustomed to tillers (which are natural feeling) and the more common wheel position on a pedestal. But, I have never steered with one of these (I am calling) "traditional" positioned wheels.
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Re: What Is This Called? Traditional Wheel Position?

It looks like a worm gear steering mechanism for an Allied boat. Unlike a steering pedestal, worm gear steering requires more space to accommodate a direct connection between the wheel and the drive gear.
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Re: What Is This Called? Traditional Wheel Position?

Here is a photo showing a real ship's wheel as handled by the crew. Ship was "Passat."
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Re: What Is This Called? Traditional Wheel Position?

I would call it more "early yacht wheel design" rather than traditional

My guess....
When first converting from tiller to wheel, early designs kept the position very close to rudder stock so that they could more easily revert back to tiller, if they had linkage problems.

As wheel solutions became proven and accepted, they evolved towards more comfortable and sophisticated positions that better facilitated handover and lookout.
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Re: What Is This Called? Traditional Wheel Position?

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Hello.

Most recently built boats have their wheel on a pedestal in the cockpit.

I have come across a few boats that have the wheel NOT on a pedestal, but in a position that looks like those on more traditional (older) styled boats or old boats.

I don't know what this position of wheel is called. I am curious. What is this type of wheel position called?

How 'bout: 'Bawl Buster', 'Eunuchmaker', 'Neutralizer', 'OwwwieWowie', ? .
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Re: What Is This Called? Traditional Wheel Position?

The wheels at a slight angle and wheel axle facing aft are Worm Gear wheels as Bobalu said. They were relatively common 40-60 years ago. More robust than cable steering but not much feedback. The Allied Seawind 30, the first FRP boat to circumnavigate, typically had this type of wheel.

The others that you pictured look like typical wheels for cable steered pedestals just not the most current designs or locations.
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Re: What Is This Called? Traditional Wheel Position?

I remember when most sailboats had some kind of facility for emergency steering.

Not sure if that is still the case?
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Re: What Is This Called? Traditional Wheel Position?

Here is another photo of a traditional steering. The wheel was large to facilitate the forces necessary to control the rudder. The hub (horizontal capstan) was likewise large and the steering line was wrapped around the capstan. Unless the capstan was facing forward, the pilot necessarily had to stand to one side of the wheel to steer. Lines from the capstan led through blocks to the side of the vessel and then below deck and to a very familiar looking tiller. You can see the turning blocks below the capstan. These were permitted to travel with the steering lines as they walked fore & aft on the capstan. This photo is of the Bounty in Green Bay, Wis, 2010. There were other tall ships there and all had very similar steering mechanics. The other photos, Europa, shows their steering capstan in an enclosed box. You can make out the lines below & the heavy structure.

I wonder if the boats you are seeing are using this same general layout. The advantage would be that all of the steering is well aft and then does not clutter up any of the below deck cabin space. If your vessel had a lazerette, all access would be from an aft deck hatch.
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Re: What Is This Called? Traditional Wheel Position?

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The wheels at a slight angle and wheel axle facing aft are Worm Gear wheels as Bobalu said. They were relatively common 40-60 years ago. More robust than cable steering but not much feedback. The Allied Seawind 30, the first FRP boat to circumnavigate, typically had this type of wheel.

The others that you pictured look like typical wheels for cable steered pedestals just not the most current designs or locations.
Hi.
Thanks for answering (you and the others above).

The Allied Seawind IS in one of those photos I uploaded. You are correct there.

But, ALL of the photos I uploaded in the first set are similar in the sense that the wheel shaft DOES NOT go to the pedestal (even IF there is a pedestal compass binnacle in forward of the wheels). Each one has that same "reverse" (worm gear type) wheel placement with the shaft going to the stern.

I just assumed there would be some common name for this type of wheel placement, but it seems everyone just refers to it as a "worm gear wheel" or something like that.

While the mechanical connection is one aspect of what I see, the other is the way the wheel is situated, and how the helmsman will sit beside, or perhaps behind, but never stand behind this placement of wheel, unless he steers with his feet.

Anyway, just curious about the correct terminology.

Thanks to everyone who has replied so far, in serious answers, or humorous ones.
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Re: What Is This Called? Traditional Wheel Position?

The Lazyjack 32 also has that wheel setup.
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The Allied Seawind 30, the first FRP boat to circumnavigate, typically had this type of wheel.
Many of the Allied models have the wheels mounted this way.
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