Should I add the stormsail?

michael201 · 28-02-2007, 06:52

New Passport 615. World cruise. Have the option to install stormsail in addition to head & stay. Would this be worth it? I feel if I might need it I should install up front when rigged instead of later if I feel I need it.

Thanks for your suggestions.

rtbates · 28-02-2007, 08:16

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Originally Posted by michael201

New Passport 615. World cruise. Have the option to install stormsail in addition to head & stay. Would this be worth it? I feel if I might need it I should install up front when rigged instead of later if I feel I need it.

Thanks for your suggestions.

I'm more than a little shocked that you even have to ask that question.

61 footer, world cruise, and you're wondering if you'll need a storm sail?

Best of luck to you.

randy

Tnflakbait · 28-02-2007, 08:23

I'm a little confused. Are you talking about adding a seperate stay for the stormsail? A stormsail isn't a bad idea to bring along, but I'm not too keen on the idea of leaving the storm sail on a furler or something like that.
Good luck.

Chuck Baier · 28-02-2007, 08:35

I am afraid I am with randy on this one. I hope you plan to do plenty of research and lots of practice sailing with the boat before you head off round the world. Even with decades of sailing in protected bays and waterways you need offshore experience prior to beginning a trip like that. Or perhaps you have spiritual connections that will watch over and protect you.

swagman · 28-02-2007, 08:36

Suggest you consult the builder. From the company site it seems this is a masthead rig - but no indication it has any form of inner forestay or runners to counter loading.

As it also appears set up to carry both genoa and maybe gennaker on furlers, so I don't think you'd be able to hoist any form of storm sail on those same forestays - nor possibly would you want such a sail so far forward.

At 60+ foot long - rigging a dismountable inner stay is probably what the builder will recommend. But it is a new boat, they do know whats best, so go get the right answer from them.

For what its worth, we've sailed 20 + years and covered maybe 50,000 miles. Always carried a storm sail and always will, but never ever used one..........

Cheers
JOHN

Raven · 28-02-2007, 08:56

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Originally Posted by michael201

Have the option to install stormsail in addition to head & stay.

Perhaps referring to a track for a storm tri?

michael201 · 28-02-2007, 12:03

Settle down folks. We're going to have a Captain/Instrustor for at least 6 months or until he feels we're ready. I mean 6 months at least FULL TIME. If I need a year then so be it... I do have sailing experience but not bluewater. That is what the Captain/Instructor is for.

In regards to the stormsail, it has a seperate stay that would be used for the stormsail if one chooses to install.

rtbates · 28-02-2007, 12:20

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Originally Posted by michael201

Settle down folks. We're going to have a Captain/Instrustor for at least 6 months or until he feels we're ready. I mean 6 months at least FULL TIME. If I need a year then so be it... I do have sailing experience but not bluewater. That is what the Captain/Instructor is for.

In regards to the stormsail, it has a seperate stay that would be used for the stormsail if one chooses to install.

Now that's the way to go! Be a sponge.

I would say the answer is a resounding yes.
When used, it will keep the center of effort centered and off the bow.

Trysail available as well? Get it.

You may never need either. But, it's far better to have and not need, than need and not have.

I'd also suggest a Jordan Series drogue. Deployed off the stern, it slows you down(prevent surfing) and holds the stern 90 to the wave front(prevent broaching). http://www.jordanseriesdrogue.com/

David_Old_Jersey · 28-02-2007, 12:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by michael201

Settle down folks. We're going to have a Captain/Instrustor for at least 6 months or until he feels we're ready. I mean 6 months at least FULL TIME. If I need a year then so be it... I do have sailing experience but not bluewater. That is what the Captain/Instructor is for.

In regards to the stormsail, it has a seperate stay that would be used for the stormsail if one chooses to install.

Not being funny, but as you are clearly not short of a few quid, then my answer is I would get whatever the factory is offering (albeit I am a bit unclear as to exactly what you are describing!), with the only caveat being that whatever the factory is offering is designed to suit the rig (I presume it is, but without knowing exactly what is proposed and what you have already..........)

If money was tighter I would still want a storm sail, but just that the capacity to carry it may well be different.

........part of my thinking (but not all) is that if you have one you are less likely to need it.

(PS you are clearly more restrained in "Internet Land" than yours truly. If I had a hat on I would take it off to you!).

michael201 · 28-02-2007, 12:16

More clarification... It would be a removable inner forstay.

Richhh · 28-02-2007, 12:20

Why not contact Bill Dixon the designer through Passport Yachts or one of the distributors .... and get the recommendations directly 'from the horses mouth'. The forward extended coach roof and its structural integrity, etc. for locating a removable 'inner stay' might be problematic. Your boat probably already has a solent stay .... would be a good place for a storm jib and is already there.

Morgan Paul · 28-02-2007, 12:48

michael

More power to you man!
I agree with Randy get it if you can, but as Richhh points out make shore the forstay will be attached in a stucturaly sound way. Hey it looks like money is no obstacle.

Good luck with your adventure,
Paul

dana-tenacity · 28-02-2007, 13:30

I would not want to be more than say 100 miles off shore without a storm jib and trisail.( Yes I have used both)

michael201 · 28-02-2007, 14:40

I think I'll call Bill.... He did engineer it with the inner forstay (removable) so I'm sure he'll think it would work well. You're all saying what I thought beforehand. A trisail is a must and I'll get one and probably the other also. Thanks.

Weyalan · 28-02-2007, 15:31

I agree with the poster who suggested a trisail, and would add that a trisail that has it's own track (i.e. separate from the mainsail track) is generally considered the best way to go.

28-02-2007, 06:52	#1
michael201 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: NC,FL Boat: Passport 615. Renovatio. Posts: 45	Should I add the stormsail? New Passport 615. World cruise. Have the option to install stormsail in addition to head & stay. Would this be worth it? I feel if I might need it I should install up front when rigged instead of later if I feel I need it. Thanks for your suggestions.

28-02-2007, 08:35	#4
Chuck Baier Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Where ever the boat is. Boat: Marine Trader 34 Posts: 2,140	I am afraid I am with randy on this one. I hope you plan to do plenty of research and lots of practice sailing with the boat before you head off round the world. Even with decades of sailing in protected bays and waterways you need offshore experience prior to beginning a trip like that. Or perhaps you have spiritual connections that will watch over and protect you. __________________ To boldly go!!

28-02-2007, 08:36	#5
swagman Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Winter - land based UK south coast. Summer - sailing. We are currently on slow passage to Portugal. Boat: Hanse 461 - Swagman Posts: 1,316	Suggest you consult the builder. From the company site it seems this is a masthead rig - but no indication it has any form of inner forestay or runners to counter loading. As it also appears set up to carry both genoa and maybe gennaker on furlers, so I don't think you'd be able to hoist any form of storm sail on those same forestays - nor possibly would you want such a sail so far forward. At 60+ foot long - rigging a dismountable inner stay is probably what the builder will recommend. But it is a new boat, they do know whats best, so go get the right answer from them. For what its worth, we've sailed 20 + years and covered maybe 50,000 miles. Always carried a storm sail and always will, but never ever used one.......... Cheers JOHN __________________ Read our boring cruising blog via http://www.yotblog.com/swagman/3099

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28-02-2007, 08:23	#3
Tnflakbait Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Southern California Boat: CSK, 33' Aita Pe'ape'a Posts: 321	I'm a little confused. Are you talking about adding a seperate stay for the stormsail? A stormsail isn't a bad idea to bring along, but I'm not too keen on the idea of leaving the storm sail on a furler or something like that. Good luck.

28-02-2007, 12:03	#7
michael201 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: NC,FL Boat: Passport 615. Renovatio. Posts: 45	Settle down folks. We're going to have a Captain/Instrustor for at least 6 months or until he feels we're ready. I mean 6 months at least FULL TIME. If I need a year then so be it... I do have sailing experience but not bluewater. That is what the Captain/Instructor is for. In regards to the stormsail, it has a seperate stay that would be used for the stormsail if one chooses to install.

28-02-2007, 12:16	#10
michael201 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: NC,FL Boat: Passport 615. Renovatio. Posts: 45	More clarification... It would be a removable inner forstay.

28-02-2007, 12:20	#11
Richhh Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Boat: Tayana 37, M-20/I-20 Scow Posts: 250	Why not contact Bill Dixon the designer through Passport Yachts or one of the distributors .... and get the recommendations directly 'from the horses mouth'. The forward extended coach roof and its structural integrity, etc. for locating a removable 'inner stay' might be problematic. Your boat probably already has a solent stay .... would be a good place for a storm jib and is already there.

28-02-2007, 12:48	#12
Morgan Paul Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Boat: 1973 Morgan 36T Posts: 778	michael More power to you man! I agree with Randy get it if you can, but as Richhh points out make shore the forstay will be attached in a stucturaly sound way. Hey it looks like money is no obstacle. Good luck with your adventure, Paul

28-02-2007, 13:30	#13
dana-tenacity Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Whangaparaoa,NZ Boat: The Squid is launched and sailing Posts: 611	I would not want to be more than say 100 miles off shore without a storm jib and trisail.( Yes I have used both)

28-02-2007, 14:40	#14
michael201 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: NC,FL Boat: Passport 615. Renovatio. Posts: 45	I think I'll call Bill.... He did engineer it with the inner forstay (removable) so I'm sure he'll think it would work well. You're all saying what I thought beforehand. A trisail is a must and I'll get one and probably the other also. Thanks.

28-02-2007, 15:31	#15
Weyalan Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Tasmania Boat: VandeStadt IOR 40' - Insatiable Posts: 1,260	I agree with the poster who suggested a trisail, and would add that a trisail that has it's own track (i.e. separate from the mainsail track) is generally considered the best way to go.