Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
  This discussion is proudly sponsored by:
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about their products on Cruisers Forums. Advertise Here
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 13-11-2018, 02:44   #1
Registered User

Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Sydney Australia
Boat: Dufour 35 Classic
Posts: 44
Lewmar / whitlock steering, bearing replacement

I have a Dufour 35 Classic 1998
She has a Whitlock Cobra wheel steering system - now Lewmar
Over the past couple of seasons the steering has become heavier and I suspect
that the bearings are failing
Has any one on the forums completed a bearing job on such a steering system and can they offer some insights as to what is involved with this job.
The boat is out of the water right now being scrubbed and anti-fouled but I want to sort the steering at the end of the season. I assume that the job requires a lift out!
Thanks in anticipation
__________________

inspectr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-11-2018, 03:16   #2
Moderator
 
Pete7's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Solent, England
Boat: Moody 31
Posts: 10,606
Images: 14
Re: Lewmar / whitlock steering, bearing replacement

There is a similar recent thread here which you might want to read.

Buying 1990 Beneteau 35s5

I don't think you need to lift out for this, but the pedestal might need to come out of the boat to make access easier. Certainly worth reading the attached PDF in the link and servicing the pedestal.

Pete
__________________

Pete7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-11-2018, 08:55   #3
Registered User

Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Hingham
Boat: Dickerson 37AC
Posts: 291
Re: Lewmar / whitlock steering, bearing replacement

Was just watching a video from these guys and they just did this job. Unsure of make/model of steering but they pulled pedestal. Appears bearings are probably super common (6004-2RS) and available from any bearing supply house.

I wonder if stainless bearings are appropriate in this application?

Skip to 4:20 for pedestal bearing job



Also saw this:

https://mydesultoryblog.com/2017/02/...r-maintenance/
sailah is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-11-2018, 15:39   #4
Registered User

Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Sydney Australia
Boat: Dufour 35 Classic
Posts: 44
Re: Lewmar / whitlock steering, bearing replacement

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete7 View Post
There is a similar recent thread here which you might want to read.

Buying 1990 Beneteau 35s5

I don't think you need to lift out for this, but the pedestal might need to come out of the boat to make access easier. Certainly worth reading the attached PDF in the link and servicing the pedestal.

Pete
Thanks for the reply, I should have been a little clearer.
The problem seems to be with the rudder bearing/s, I have checked the pedestal and it's OK, and the quadrant, drag link etc is all OK. No rudder load and the wheel spins effortlessly.
What I was asking was whether anyone had dropped a similar rudder and what to look out for in the process.
inspectr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-11-2018, 11:14   #5
Registered User

Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Summer Europe Winter Florida
Boat: Dufour Nautitech435/FP Venezia42/Baltec Visiona 40/Catalac 10m used as a river cruiser
Posts: 131
Re: Lewmar / whitlock steering, bearing replacement

Some years ago I had the same on my Contest 42 with Whitlock steering. Turning the wheel was a hard job. After greasing the several universal joints the steering was working fine again.
Good luck
Onavegador
onavegador is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-11-2018, 13:30   #6
Registered User

Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Portsmouth, UK
Boat: Westerly Conway 36ft
Posts: 106
Re: Lewmar / whitlock steering, bearing replacement

My 1981 centre cockpit boat has a Whitlock Sentinel steering system with rods leading back to the rudder quadrant, via 4 small gearboxes. The steering got a lot lighter after those gearboxes were all stripped & regreased. The old grease had gone like tar inside in places. However the system was approved by the old White Fish Authority in the UK for use on fishing boats so it is very robust.
Hope that helps...
Clivevon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-11-2018, 14:51   #7
Senior Cruiser

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Bellingham
Boat: Outbound 44
Posts: 6,168
Re: Lewmar / whitlock steering, bearing replacement

Quote:
Originally Posted by inspectr View Post
Thanks for the reply, I should have been a little clearer.
The problem seems to be with the rudder bearing/s, I have checked the pedestal and it's OK, and the quadrant, drag link etc is all OK. No rudder load and the wheel spins effortlessly.
What I was asking was whether anyone had dropped a similar rudder and what to look out for in the process.
Find out from Dufour what bearings they used on the rudder. Then check with Jefa for a replacement. If the bearings are self aligning or can be replaced easily with self-aligning then it is a pretty straight forward job once the rudder is dropped. You'll need to check the rudder shaft itself once it is dropped for wear and corrosion, which can complicate the process,
Ask Dufour for a diagram of the rudder install while you are at it.
Paul L is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 14-11-2018, 15:20   #8
Registered User

Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Montreal
Boat: Dufour 39 Frers
Posts: 219
Re: Lewmar / whitlock steering, bearing replacement

I have been able to buy new rudder bearing for my Dufour at
Sale of spare parts for boat - International Boat Spares

The web site use to have a search section where you could select a boat manufacturer and see all available parts. It doe snot seems to be there anymore. Anyway, last time I got in touch they were very responsive.
Emouchet is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-11-2018, 23:40   #9
Registered User

Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Australia
Boat: Island Packet 40
Posts: 2,049
Images: 7
Re: Lewmar / whitlock steering, bearing replacement

Quote:
Originally Posted by onavegador View Post
Some years ago I had the same on my Contest 42 with Whitlock steering. Turning the wheel was a hard job. After greasing the several universal joints the steering was working fine again.
Good luck
Onavegador
I had the same problem with a Whitlock Cobra steering when I got an un-noticed leak at the pedestal base. I think what you are referring to are the rod ends on the push/pull rod which are carbon steel and consequently prone to corrosion. The rod ends are standard industrial items readily available from bearing service suppliers.

There is another standard roller bearing in the pinion shaft onto which the wheel bolts. Again, they are standard off-the-shelf items which, being carbon steel are also prone to corrosion and if unused for a long time may seize. Because it's a single roller bearing the wheel tends to get a bit wobbly and I removed the locking mechanism and installed another bearing in a machined housing in it's place.
RaymondR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15-11-2018, 09:03   #10
Registered User

Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Mediterranean
Boat: Beneteau Oceanis 50
Posts: 330
Re: Lewmar / whitlock steering, bearing replacement

Quote:
Originally Posted by inspectr View Post
I have a Dufour 35 Classic 1998
She has a Whitlock Cobra wheel steering system - now Lewmar
Over the past couple of seasons the steering has become heavier and I suspect
that the bearings are failing
Has any one on the forums completed a bearing job on such a steering system and can they offer some insights as to what is involved with this job.
The boat is out of the water right now being scrubbed and anti-fouled but I want to sort the steering at the end of the season. I assume that the job requires a lift out!
Thanks in anticipation
I had a problem with the helm becoming very stiff over time. Could not really find the problem. Greased wherever I thought could be friction causing the problem.
In the end I took the shaft housing off the Whitlock helm. Inside the housing was aluminium dust from corrosion between the SS shaft/wheel and the aluminium housing.The corrosion dust was packing the gap between the housing and shaft causing the high friction and heavy steering.
Cleaned the housing of dust, gave the SS shaft a light polish with a scouring pad. Put in some grease and you guessed it the helm spins with the slightest touch.
__________________

__________________
how long has this been going on and why wasn't I told about it earlier.....
lordgeoff is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
lewmar, men, steering

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Want To Buy: Whitlock/Lewmar Steering Pedestal Polar Opposite General Classifieds (no boats) 1 25-09-2018 14:28
Lewmar steering bearing? Replacement? Charliemciver Engines and Propulsion Systems 7 08-11-2017 14:36
Whitlock Cobra steering bearing replacement Magnum Construction, Maintenance & Refit 15 27-10-2017 13:38
Lewmar / Whitlock Steering Problem BMathews Monohull Sailboats 9 09-01-2012 10:32
Want To Buy: Whitlock / Lewmar Parts timberboat Classifieds Archive 0 12-01-2010 20:00



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 23:09.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.