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TheRailRoader · 07-10-2019, 15:04

So I have been looking at courses for book learning, then coupling with practical when time allows.

Any rate, found some really slick USCG accredited courses... I believe it is called a 6 pack? Any rate the entry level captains ticket regardless.

But I read you have to be a citizen or resident of the USA to qualify, is this correct? I have a buddy south of the border who is accredited to do practical with us for the uscg program.. we like and trust him.. so hence the desire to go this route. I just want to make sure it is or is not a possibility...

Any rate, if non-residents can get the accreditation that would be awesome. If not I will have to suffer for plan b or c. Just had to ask, having trouble figuring if it is the USCG with this rule or the company itself etc.

Thanks
RR

Svsumurun · 07-10-2019, 16:23

You hav to be a us citizen ... as a green card holder here , I could not - now I can

TheRailRoader · 07-10-2019, 16:57

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Originally Posted by Svsumurun

You hav to be a us citizen ... as a green card holder here , I could not - now I can

Dang, that is tougher then I thought.

Thanks man, guess I will try plan B

RR

**StuM** · 07-10-2019, 17:16

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Originally Posted by TheRailRoader

Dang, that is tougher then I thought.

Thanks man, guess I will try plan B

RR

Plan B being RYA certification?

Calif.Ted · 07-10-2019, 18:24

6 pack is mostly intended so you can accept payment for working as a "captain" here in the states. Shoreboats, fishing guides, captained charters anything with 6 or less paying "passengers".
Even here in the US I think RYA certs are more well regarded, among sailors anyway.

bensolomon · 07-10-2019, 19:18

I agree with getting RYA certified. Got my Dayskipper and ICC from RYA. The knowledge I gained was incredible! I became such a better sailor because of it. Use Nauticed.com for course work and Mark Thompson at yachting education.com for the practicum.

https://www.yachtingeducation.com/

You will gain amazing knowledge and be a better Mariner. Mark is awesome!!! He is a master sailor and an incredibly nice guy.

Dsanduril · 07-10-2019, 20:08

If you want to go the 6-pack route you should be able to. Direct from the source:

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46 CFR 10.221 - Citizenship.
§ 10.221 Citizenship.
(a)
(1)MMCs with officer Endorsements. Only individuals with valid U.S. citizenship may apply for officer endorsements, except individuals applying for endorsements as operators of uninspected passenger vessels authorizing service on undocumented vessels in accordance with § 11.201(d) of this subchapter.

The "officers of uninspected passenger vessels" (OUPV) is the official term for 6-pack and should be open to non-citizens. You just can't go any higher than that. Also, there is a restriction on non-citizens serving as officers on documented vessels, don't know if that applies to documented vessels used in the 6-pack trade.

TheRailRoader · 07-10-2019, 20:40

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Originally Posted by StuM

Plan B being RYA certification?

Well.. it.. was sorta.. take over the world.. but your option sounds better.. family life and all y'know.

TheRailRoader · 07-10-2019, 20:44

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Originally Posted by Dsanduril

If you want to go the 6-pack route you should be able to. Direct from the source:

The "officers of uninspected passenger vessels" (OUPV) is the official term for 6-pack and should be open to non-citizens. You just can't go any higher than that. Also, there is a restriction on non-citizens serving as officers on documented vessels, don't know if that applies to documented vessels used in the 6-pack trade.

Crikey, that is confusing. Let me wrap my head around the implications there. But basically, yes I can. But am restricted by my citizenship status.

RR

ranger58sb · 08-10-2019, 04:26

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Originally Posted by TheRailRoader

So I have been looking at courses for book learning, then coupling with practical when time allows.

Any rate, found some really slick USCG accredited courses... I believe it is called a 6 pack? Any rate the entry level captains ticket regardless.

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Originally Posted by TheRailRoader

Crikey, that is confusing. Let me wrap my head around the implications there. But basically, yes I can. But am restricted by my citizenship status.

But what is it you're hoping to learn?

The courses for USCG credentials would cover COLREGS, some navigation, some (very little) weather and safety... but don't at all cover how to handle a boat, how to sail, etc.

What's your goal?

-Chris

Nicholson58 · 08-10-2019, 04:34

If you qualify for 6 pack you might as well do the small additional work to get a master credential. Masters is recognized outside the US.

bensolomon · 08-10-2019, 05:35

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Originally Posted by ranger42c

But what is it you're hoping to learn?

The courses for USCG credentials would cover COLREGS, some navigation, some (very little) weather and safety... but don't at all cover how to handle a boat, how to sail, etc.

What's your goal?

-Chris

This is where the rya certifications excel. They teach navigation, boat handling, Etc in addition to colregs.

CaptTom · 08-10-2019, 05:36

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Originally Posted by TheRailRoader

Crikey, that is confusing. Let me wrap my head around the implications there. But basically, yes I can. But am restricted by my citizenship status.

The "6-pax" (six passengers) credential, properly called OUPV (see above) means you can only run an uninspected vessel, which in turn means you can only take up to six passengers. To take more than that, you need a vessel which has additional requirements, including the need to be inspected.

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Originally Posted by Nicholson58

If you qualify for 6 pack you might as well do the small additional work to get a master credential. Masters is recognized outside the US.

Good point, for US citizens.