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Old 07-09-2007, 13:29   #31
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Old 08-09-2007, 12:40   #32
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I have a saying, "if you have a law but you don't have the police, then you don't have a law." Well if there aren't enough Coast Guard to police our waters, you don't have a law for boating licenses.
Here (the US) we have Harbor Police, which are seperate from the CG and paid for by the local city. But mostly used in marina's and small harbor areas. And they are definatly busy. At any given hour you can see them. And you will ALWAYS find one near Naval ship......................._/)
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I took my Pleasure Craft Operators Card at the Canadian National Exhibition. At the booth they got you to sit down and write the test. If you failed it was free. If you passed it was $45.00 and you now have a shiny new card. What a joke.
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Old 09-09-2007, 08:53   #34
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This thread begs the question:

What if you have an MCA Yachtmaster Open Ocean or USCG Masters or something to that extent??
In WA, if they take Power Squadron course as equivalent, I dont see why they wont take these.

Besides, gettings a captains license is pretty easy. Mostly just the written test. The CG takes claims of "recreational boating experience" to count toward the "on the water experience" requirement (10 years I think?). Meaning, you could sail your boat/or charter a boat/or sail a friends boat occasionally in the past ten years and they would probably count that as 10 years on-the-water experience.

Anyone know if this WA law applies to Lake Washington? IMHO, there is the reason why WA needs it. Too many deaths/serious injuries on Lake Washington every year. Usually caused by idiots.
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Lake Wash./Lake Union is one of the most diverse bodies of water out there. And are connected to the Sound by a short set of locks. With a small boat one can even motor up to Lake Sammamish. Although, there is a small dam at its exit to maintain its water level in the summers

First and foremost it's used as a recreational playground with beaches and piers with two large floating bridges.

You'll see all kinds of activities, water skiing, jet skis, thunder boats, big yachts, small aluminum boats with fishermen, cheap inflatables, canoes, kayaks, runabouts and sailboats of all different sizes.

And in the late summer we have the hydroplane races. We are quite a mix of Water Rats and all have to get along. In the cold months it's mostly fishermen and the big power boaters (yachties). And we have several other lakes in the area but only accessible by boat ramps.

Where as, out on the Sound the list above is reduced to mostly the more robust boats probably due to the wave action and higher winds. It's understandable why the State wants some sort of certificate. There are boats everywhere. One can drive through any neighborhood and find them parked in yards and garages.



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I think w42 is off base on USCG credit for experience. For the OUPV you must have 360 days underway on vessels. A day is at least 4 hours. At least 90 days of the experience must be within the last three years.

For the Masters ticket you need 720 days.

If you claim time on your own boat, you have to at least prove you owned the boat at that time (registration, insurance, or equivalent). 360 of those 720 must be on sail boats if you want the sail endorsement.

Yeah, taking the test is easy. Funny how lots of people miss portions and have to retake them.

I do wish there were some demonstration of proficiency required. I see people with USCG tickets who can't anchor or dock worth a darn.

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minor clarification...

Coast Guard site states you need 360 days for inland and rivers masters license, 360 days of which at least 90 are on the Great Lakes for the Great Lakes ticket, 720 for near coastal. For the near coastal, 360 days must be on open ocean waters; the balance may be made up with any other documentable days.

For the sailing endorsement, 360 days must be on sail or sail auxiliary. For the towing endorsement there's an additional test or a towing course completion.

Tonnage of license will be determined by the gross tonnage of the vessels on which the applicant gained experience.
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Try CFR 46 - I think Sunspot has it right.

2005 CFR Title 46, Volume 1

Specifically 46 CFR 10.467.

Near costal, inland waters and Great lakes are 3 different endoresements on the license.

Coastal - 360 deck days incl. 90 on oceans or near coastal waters
Inland waters - 360 deck days (note this requirement is met above so both are covered if above is met)
Great Lakes - 360 deck days incl. 90 days on great lakes.

If you wanted all three covered you would have to do 360 deck days. 90 of that on oceans and near coastal waters and 90 of that on the Great Lakes. No matter what you must have accumulated 90 days of that total experience within the last 3 years.

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I think w42 is off base on USCG credit for experience. For the OUPV you must have 360 days underway on vessels. A day is at least 4 hours. At least 90 days of the experience must be within the last three years.
Ok, maybe I was exaggerating a bit. But, a friend of mine just got his captains license to pilot a commercial passenger ferry (small 8 person). While he owns his boat and has a lot of time on the water (sport fishing), he just had to show ownership to qualify. No logs, no demonstration of proficiency, etc. He said "I could have had my boat in charter for ten years and never sailed it and I would have qualified".
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Try CFR 46 - I think Sunspot has it right.

2005 CFR Title 46, Volume 1

Specifically 46 CFR 10.467.

Near costal, inland waters and Great lakes are 3 different endoresements on the license.

Coastal - 360 deck days incl. 90 on oceans or near coastal waters
Inland waters - 360 deck days (note this requirement is met above so both are covered if above is met)
Great Lakes - 360 deck days incl. 90 days on great lakes.

If you wanted all three covered you would have to do 360 deck days. 90 of that on oceans and near coastal waters and 90 of that on the Great Lakes. No matter what you must have accumulated 90 days of that total experience within the last 3 years.

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2005 CFR Title 46, Volume 1

Specifically 46 CFR 10.467.


Sec. 10.467 Licenses for operators of uninspected passenger vessels of less than 100 gross tons.

That's for an OUPV, more commonly known as a six-pack. For a masters/mate for inspected vessels they come in differrent "flavours": Inland, Great Lakes, near coastal, limited, and ocean(10.401, 10.430). Note that an OUPV license is always limited to 100 miles of US coastal waters, inland OUPV are always limited to inland waters excluding the Great Lakes, and they may be issued for a particular local area (10.467.b and 10.467.g). That means they aren't an "endorsement", just a specific license.
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Yes, you can exaggerate how many days you operated your boat and they will take your word for it. If you claim too much time, they can reject it.

When I applied for my Masters ticket, they claimed I had "excessive sea time" during the previous 6 months. I didn't need the days for the Masters ticket but needed the time to get the sail endorsement. Luckily, I had my passport with me and was able to demonstrate that I was cruising the Bahamas and was willing to produce my log. They then accepted the time.

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