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Old 17-02-2012, 18:39   #31
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Even if an exam does not take days to take and has no practical on-the-water section, something is better than nothing as far as reducing accidents goes.
Absolutely true. But in the case of the PCOC we're not talking about "something" we're talking about nothing. Unless you consider a blatant revenue grab by shyster card issuers operating with the blessing of one of the largest branches of our federal government "something". The PCOC isn't reducing accidents - all its doing is lining the pockets of some sleazeball operators. It deserves no credibility whatsoever.
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Regarding liscenses in Canada if I am not mistaken it goes something like this. First the much debated pleasure craft card then you can get a MED A3 which is basic safety at sea and then your small vessel operators proficiency all of which are class room work and no on the water sea time need. Add the restricted radio operators licsence and you are able to operate a commercial vessel under five tons up to twenty five miles off shore. To carry passengers or operate larger vessels there are 50 ton and 100 ton liscenses which have sea time requirements and the exam must be done on the vessel operated and in the waters which will be plied. There may be more but this is the basic outline. I am qualified to operate five tons and under up to twenty five miles off shore. As for the boater course when I brought my concerns up to those who mattered I was told that a tougher requirements were comeing that would require operators to be checked out on there own vessels. When this is coming I am not sure (not soon enough). After many years working on a waterway I can't count the number of boaters who would stop me asking for directions with a road map as a chart. We had a boater examiner in our area who not only was not a boater as in never, but had never written the exam he was administering. This system deffinately has flaws.
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Old 07-02-2014, 11:39   #33
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Does the MED -A 3 course surpass the need for a PCOC ?
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Old 07-02-2014, 11:45   #34
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Off to a good start. Your next step should be as Gord suggested, the 12 week boating course through CPS. Once you have that under your belt they offer enough other courses to keep you going every winter for several years.
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Absolutely true. But in the case of the PCOC we're not talking about "something" we're talking about nothing. Unless you consider a blatant revenue grab by shyster card issuers operating with the blessing of one of the largest branches of our federal government "something". The PCOC isn't reducing accidents - all its doing is lining the pockets of some sleazeball operators. It deserves no credibility whatsoever.
With any exam, anywhere, you only get out what you put in. While I agree overall with your criticisms of the process, I can't help remembering my thoughts after I finished by exam: they should require this for road licenses too.

Just making you think about fuelling, hypothermia, general safety, how to maintain your vehicle would be a great asset to half the idiots on the highways. Sure the PCOC didn't teach (or test) me much about how to drive a boat, but it certainly put the on-water experience into a different light than my written drivers exam did—which by the way qualifies as a 'joke' under your criteria...
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...... a different light than my written drivers exam did—which by the way qualifies as a 'joke' under your criteria...
Bullshit. Drivers licensing is administered by a regulatory agency according to measurable criteria. PCOC cards are handed out willy nilly by shyster operators according to your ability to pay. If the PCOC exam really "made you think" then you started from a very different place than I did.
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Just as an aside. the PCO card was brought in as a way to control yougsters on seadoos. And so as not to show age discrimination was made mandatory for everyone. How ever once it was instituded it was found that it had no affect on the intended target as most fell under the protection of the young offenders act! So another example of Governmental overkill not hitting the target!!
You're absolutely correct and as you probably know this requirement was set in place after a tragic accident involving several kids on seadoos. These cards are nothing short of pathetic and another example of Canadian government overkill.
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I surveyed a 32' Douglas catamaran with a pair of 550hp engines capable of 132mph.
A wealthy gentleman had bought it for his 18yr old son to play with on a small lake in Ontario.

All this kid needed to run at 132mph was a PCOC ..... outrageous that this is legal !

A few years ago my 10yr. old nephew got a PCOC card at the Toronto Boat Show. Great kid but absolutely no knowledge of boats or boating. How did he pass ?
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Great kid but absolutely no knowledge of boats or boating. How did he pass ?
I'll tell you how he passed - the "exams" are so poorly written that a monkey could pass them. Anyone with a modicum of common sense can identify the intended answer because the distractor answers are so obvious. And note that I wrote "intended" answer deliberately because the intended answers are not always exactly correct.
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Thanks a lot you jerks! I only ever got 100% on a test in my life and I got it on this one. Now you guys have watered my results down to the point that it no longer feels like the wonderful accomplishment that it used to, jerks!
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Perhaps the US government can follow the Canadians lead with the POC certificate. They have done such a wonderful job of mimicing a National Health Scheme, what could posibly go wrong? Phil
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I obtained my certificate as part of a more extensive course, Cooper's "Cruise and Learn." That course still only met the basic minimal requirements to safely operate a mid-size sailing vessel, so the operators permit was quite inadequate for any serious sailor. As pointed out, however, it at least begins the process of obtaining more worthy credentials, hopefully free of any further government intervention. when I see or hear of poorly qualified idiots on the water, I hold them personally responsible for a failure to operate their vessels in a competent manner, not the Government.
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Re: Canadian Pleasure Craft Operator Card !

Check with the CAD Coast Guard. They do have a commercial license that is the same as US 6 Pack or 100 Ton. I had one in 1994 and it was called a MSPC Master of small craft 60 Ton Max 40 commercial passengers. They phased that out and now call it something else with a higher tonnage rating. BTW you do not need Pleasure Operator Card if you have another certificate. You can also apply for exemption with documented experience. If I was back in BC I would do the IYT program in a heart beat. Lots of choices.
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After over 20 years of running commercial vessels, towboats and commercial fishing boats 12 months a year on the Canadian west coast and another 30+ years in my own delivery business between Alaska and Panama, I feel nearly competent to comment on the certification process in both countries which are run by folks who love government work and excell at pushing people around, set stupid standards and generally lack experience. The US Coast Guard licensing group is an exception where at least they have sea time and an understanding of how the regs and standards relate to actual marine situations.
I have very little respect for government agencies generally because they promulgate and enforce regulations without understanding or caring that the impact on those affected is disparate and denies logic.
A Pleasure Operator Card is a meaningless piece of paper with little basis other than a political ass cover and its issuance is overseen by ignorant turkeys who don't know the pointy end from the blunt end on a boat. Phil
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C'mon Phil, tell us how you really feel
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