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Old 01-09-2012, 19:30   #16
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I pay him what he charges..... If he's happy, what's the problem
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Old 01-09-2012, 19:49   #17
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I pay him what he charges..... If he's happy, what's the problem
The problem is he's doing a difficult job that you are either unable or unwilling to do yourself and yet you still rag on him for the living he makes. It's a pretty sure bet you couldn't keep up with him for a day, doing what he does.

BTW- you should count yourself lucky that you only pay $72 for a 43' powerboat. In most regions (including mine) you'd pay at least double that. Same goes for zinc installation. You're getting off dirt cheap but you still begrudge your diver earning a living.
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Old 01-09-2012, 20:04   #18
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I do construction, every time I've had a client question my pricing, then do it themselves they usually call me back to fix their mistakes and/or finish the job. Some provide materials, some don't. If I provide materials there's a markup on it.

I don't see why this is different.

Prices are controlled by the market, you don't like his price, shop around.

As to a diver making $600 cash a day, I'm not sure that's accurate... especially when they have to pay for gear, compressor, fuel, and employees. And if they can make that, then good on them! I'm sure it helps them save for the off season. Don't be mad about someone working and making a decent living... especially when it's work you won't/can't do.
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any diver saying he regularly dives and CLEANS 5-6 boats daily is either lying or had a scam going.
fstbttms--i am so glad you personally know so much about the place i just spent too many of the years of my life on boats. mebbe you need to research again the realities in san diego, as you reside and work in san francisco--different bay , different day.
i am in banderas bay now-- when cruising, must have own zincs. they do supply them in 4 places here. not cheap by any means but available, and for approximately worst marine pricing. and then there is zaragosa marine. looks like a west marine inside , and pricing is a lil over their top.
diving to clean boat here is 1 usd per foot, free diving. these boys are goooooooood.
the fellas using tanks and hookahs charge slightly more. the best divers are the freedivers. the ones with gear are not reliable.
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any diver saying he regularly dives and CLEANS 5-6 boats daily is either lying or had a scam going.
I regularly clean 6-8 boats per day. This is typical throughout the industry in California.
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I regularly clean 6-8 boats per day. This is typical throughout the industry in California.
even my fastest and best diver only did 3 per day as it took him 2 hours on some...is a lot of work. my old dive service will not allow divers to dive more than 3 as fatigue factor is a dangerous thing. short in and out hops, yes, but complete cleanings--superman has a trouble with 4..

mebbe is different in san francisco.....but is how it is in san diego.
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even my fastest and best diver only did 3 per day as it took him 2 hours on some...is a lot of work. my old dive service will not allow divers to dive more than 3 as fatigue factor is a dangerous thing. short in and out hops, yes, but complete cleanings--superman has a trouble with 4..

mebbe is different in san francisco.....but is how it is in san diego.
Sorry, but you don't know what you are talking about.
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Sorry, but you don't know what you are talking about.

rofl--no i do not--ii only lived on board in san diego from 1995 until april 7th, 2011, so i know nothing of san diego--prolly as much as you dont know san francisco bay.
during my tenure in sd bay i hired dive services and had frin=ends who owned dive services, and had botom cleaning done and haulouts. what did yu do in sd bay during that time and for that long a period of time..... no --i know nothing of san diego bay ..LOL
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rofl--no i do not--ii only lived on board in san diego from 1995 until april 7th, 2011, so i know nothing of san diego--prolly as much as you dont know san francisco bay.
during my tenure in sd bay i hired dive services and had frin=ends who owned dive services, and had botom cleaning done and haulouts. what did yu do in sd bay during that time and for that long a period of time..... no --i know nothing of san diego bay ..LOL
I don't know (or care) what you know about San Diego Bay. That's not what I was referring to. What you clearly do not know about is the hull cleaning business, be it here, there, or anywhere in California. I have performed well over 20,000 hull cleanings in my 18 years in the business and have traveled up and down the coast as a member of the California Professional Divers Association, training hull cleaners in the use of in-water hull cleaning Best Management Practices and in doing so, have had face-to-face conversations with hundreds of divers in the Bay Area, Monterey, Santa Barbara, Los Angeles/Orange County and most certainly San Diego. I am exceptionally well-versed on the ins-and-outs of the hull cleaning business in this state. Virtually every single point you made about hull cleaning (with the possible exception of some divers not carrying an inventory of zincs) is so far from being true as to be laughable. And I would laugh, if it weren't for your thinly veiled inference that I am defrauding my customers.

Paying somebody to clean your hull once in a while doesn't make you an expert on the subject. Any more than taking your car to the shop for a tune-up makes you a mechanic.
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Re: Zincs

OK, sports fans. Time to play nice... remember our primary rule.

Some posts have been deleted as they include personal attacks; not allowed, and long time posters know that.

Debate the issue, fine. Don't attack a person's integrity.
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I don't know (or care) what you know about San Diego Bay. That's not what I was referring to. What you clearly do not know about is the hull cleaning business, be it here, there, or anywhere in California. I have performed well over 20,000 hull cleanings in my 18 years in the business and have traveled up and down the coast as a member of the California Professional Divers Association, training hull cleaners in the use of in-water hull cleaning Best Management Practices and in doing so, have had face-to-face conversations with hundreds of divers in the Bay Area, Monterey, Santa Barbara, Los Angeles/Orange County and most certainly San Diego. I am exceptionally well-versed on the ins-and-outs of the hull cleaning business in this state. Virtually every single point you made about hull cleaning (with the possible exception of some divers not carrying an inventory of zincs) is so far from being true as to be laughable. And I would laugh, if it weren't for your thinly veiled inference that I am defrauding my customers.

Paying somebody to clean your hull once in a while doesn't make you an expert on the subject. Any more than taking your car to the shop for a tune-up makes you a mechanic.
i have cleaned my own hulls from 1990 until 2005. i also helped friends with theirs...lol my son worked diving for a time. so , of course i know nothing.
no one i know would hire someone to dive their boats if that soul had done more than 3 before theirs.
that is fact.
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My bottom paint wore out faster than zincs (half dissolved), so had them replaced at the yard the same time the bottom was treated.

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My bottom paint wore out faster than zincs (half dissolved), so had them replaced at the yard the same time the bottom was treated.
Your boat lives in Vallejo, yes? It is likely that you should be using aluminum anodes, not zinc. Aluminum anodes are best for brackish environments. If your prop & rudder zinc anodes are lasting several years or more, they are not doing their job. They are supposed to deplete faster than that.
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I'll take note. But no electrolyte corrosion noted so far. Fifty-percent zinc erosion in 1.5 years isn't too slow, yes?. (Yes, the Coot is berthed in Vallejo.)
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I'll take note. But no electrolyte corrosion noted so far. Fifty-percent zinc erosion in 1.5 years isn't too slow, yes?. (Yes, the Coot is berthed in Vallejo.)
Well, that big hull zinc could safely last a very long time, because it is a pretty substantial piece of metal. The prop & rudder zincs typically wouldn't last that long and that they are is indicative that they aren't being as effective as they should be because of the brackish water they live in. But the bottom line is if you aren't experiencing any corrosion, then you are OK for now. But corrosion conditions can change rapidly.
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