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Old 23-05-2007, 11:00   #76
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I don't live in Americanistan so the laws there don't affect me.
But they do affect you
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and btw this is the power boat section.
Sorry, I thought you were talking to sailboaters:


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The actual percentage of time a sailboat spends under sail vs time under power is likely much higher probably closer to 50%
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So even if you rag boaters use your motor 25% of the time...you are still putting 2.5 times the crap into the air that a gas engine does.

If you really want to talk to the polluters, go to this forum:

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Old 23-05-2007, 12:20   #77
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While you are reading all this just keep asking yourself if there is nothing wrong with diesel pollution that would warrent all these changes... why is the American Environmental Protection Agency radically changing the emission standard requirements for diesels?
Because Global Warming has become a political issue and they are trying to make them selves look good.

The problem being is SOOT is heavier then air and falls to the ground and mixes with the soil, except large asphalt covered cities (that's another subject that I won't go into now). Is doesn't go into the atmosphere and cause the so-called warming effect. It is a by-product of most everything burned, including food and forests.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soot

I emphasize AGAIN that we need to get into a hydroelectric mode and start damming up areas where electrical power can be harnessed for the sake of the cities. The EPA should just regulate diesels, trains included, for the city metro's not the whole USA (use electric powered transportation).

The other problem is the EPA fights itself. They don't want to dam up the wilderness; it might destroy someone’s view. Hmmmm! Sounds like somewhere in RI......................................._/)
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Old 23-05-2007, 17:35   #78
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Im not just talking to sailboaters CSY...Ive said right from the beginning the worst offenders were twin diesel powerboats.Im talking to everybody.
but primarily to people who run diesels.They are dirty and the US gov is changing the laws surrounding them.The affected boaters are American.....I guess that means you...

CSY you and other deniers should not be so insecure and defensive as to not accept the truth for what it is.Diesels are dirty.Period.
Some are dirtier than others.But when the EPA changes your laws dont come crying that you didn't know

If if bothers you so much to read about it and discover for every hour you run you put more crap in the air...find another thread
Maybe a twelve step program for boaters in denial
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WELL WELL! You changed your moniker's picture from a twin V8 GAS engine bay to a 'pristine' sunset at anchor picture. Isn't it kinda high and mighty of you (as well as hypocritical) to call us "deniers"?

BTW, I probably burn about 20 gallons a year INCLUDING my diesel furnace where your TWIN V8 probably burns that just getting out of the marina.

I get a feeling you're related to Algore.
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Old 23-05-2007, 18:27   #80
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CSY you and other deniers should not be so insecure and defensive as to not accept the truth for what it is.Diesels are dirty.Period.
Hmm, not so sure I am insecure or defensive, just told you to hit a different forum that may spark more guilt feelings than around this here sailboat community.

I burn around 200 gallons of diesel a YEAR. Go and talk to the 200 foot yachts on the link I gave you, them guys burn that in one HOUR.

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If if bothers you so much to read about it and discover for every hour you run you put more crap in the air...find another thread
Maybe a twelve step program for boaters in denial
Not sure what planet you are from, or if you have been smoking crack just now, but uh, it does not bother me a bit to crank up my diesel now and then. How did ya get that idea?

Thanks for the 12 step program idea, but once again your are barking up the wrong tree.

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Ive said right from the beginning the worst offenders were twin diesel powerboats.Im talking to everybody.
Again Messiah, go to twin diesel powerboat forum, not many of them around this here rag-boat forum.

(Guess my clue-phone is off the hook, I have no idea why you keep up the BS around here, wrong place, wrong crowd.)
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Old 23-05-2007, 19:58   #81
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Hmm, not so sure I am insecure or defensive, just told you to hit a different forum that may spark more guilt feelings than around this here sailboat community.

I would say you are both insecure and defensive.Otherwise you wouldn't be harping like a lost puppy on what you like and dislike.If you can't deal with the subject matter put forward on the powerboat forum maybe you should stay on the sailing side of the board.

I burn around 200 gallons of diesel a YEAR. Go and talk to the 200 foot yachts on the link I gave you, them guys burn that in one HOUR.

200 gallons of diesel.....pffft ...and you call yourself a sailor?.....LOL
you are just another polluting powerboater at that point

Not sure what planet you are from, or if you have been smoking crack just now, but uh, it does not bother me a bit to crank up my diesel now and then. How did ya get that idea?

Thanks for the 12 step program idea, but once again your are barking up the wrong tree.

Again Messiah, go to twin diesel powerboat forum, not many of them around this here rag-boat forum.

If you have no interest in subjects that are spawned on the powerboat forum or engine related discussions on powered boats it is up to you not read the material and to stay on your side of the playground.Material is not posted here specifically for your personal perusal or approval.If you don't like it.... tough.

Run along and try to play nice

(Guess my clue-phone is off the hook, I have no idea why you keep up the BS around here, wrong place, wrong crowd.)
I would say your clue phone has been ringing busy for a long time.
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Lets not let the thread get out of hand, OK
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Old 23-05-2007, 22:23   #83
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I would say your clue phone has been ringing busy for a long time.
Sorry if your message has been lost around here.

Again: Try to stir up some support, or a good fight, over at the yacht forum: Them guys burn more diesel than you can shake a troll at.

Go get them tiger....
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Old 23-05-2007, 22:46   #84
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I would say you are both insecure and defensive.Otherwise you wouldn't be harping like a lost puppy on what you like and dislike.If you can't deal with the subject matter put forward on the powerboat forum maybe you should stay on the sailing side of the board.
I did not see a "powerboat forum" around here.

There is something about Powered Vessels, but we are all in that category.
(Try to not move your lips when you read that one again.)

I made the mistake of clicking on "new posts", and what do I get: More soot from old diesel engines than gas engines.

Great, thanks for the news-flash Einstein, and your point is what?

I realize I keep making the same mistake responding to the same looser.
(That is his mission in life: Get more responses and the troll will be fed).

To the rest: I appologize, I am wasting your time and bandwith.
I won't beat this dead horse anymore.
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Cptct, I don't know why you are not getting this. You are not comparing apples with apples. Infact you don't even have oranges. OK, so answer these questions.
Firstly, we need to know what you are comparing.
Is the emission based on a per ltr(gal) of petrol vs Diesel??....or....
Is it the cubic capacity of the diesel/petrol engine????ie. a 6ltr diesel engine produces more pollution than a 6ltr petrol engine??
Are both engines N/A, turbo'd or supercharged??
Is one type of engine N/A only??
Next question....
What type of engine intake systems are we talking here.
Petrol....carburetor or injected??
Diesel....High or low pressure rail??
Fuel.....Pure Diesel or Biofuel?? Pure Gasoline or mixed with Ethanol??? What percentage is the mix??
And finaly, what make of engine is each. Because unfortunatly/fortunatly, no one make of engine is the same as another. And thus efficiency and ability to reduce emissions varies also.
Answer all the above questions and maybe we can discuss this further.
If you can't, then don't bother going any further on this subject.
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I did not see a "powerboat forum" around here.

There is something about Powered Vessels, but we are all in that category.
(Try to not move your lips when you read that one again.)

I made the mistake of clicking on "new posts", and what do I get: More soot from old diesel engines than gas engines.

Great, thanks for the news-flash Einstein, and your point is what?

I realize I keep making the same mistake responding to the same looser.
(That is his mission in life: Get more responses and the troll will be fed).

To the rest: I appologize, I am wasting your time and bandwith.
I won't beat this dead horse anymore.
So what are you saying CSY man,

that a sailing boat with a motor is a powered boat, and that this forum is only for sail boat's and that me with my cat with 2 small diesel's should piss off to the big stink boat forum 'cause I 'aint got no sail's.

Surely not.

Anyway the big stink boat forum don't want me , I don't use enough fuel for that lot.

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Okay - last chance ... PLEASE keep to the TOPIC and keep the responses civil ...
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Since this thread was originally about footprints, might I ask if anyone has used electric engines in a yacht? It seems to me that with modern day chargers (solar/wind etc) they may be able to serve yachties well.

Typically, I use the iron lady to get me out of a marina/tight space, then sail for half a day to a few weeks, before reversing the process. In this time frame surely the 'fuel tank' could have topped itself up?

Am looking for a cat to purchase, and was thinking about twin electics for her (sorry Lloyds, she is a she). Anyone got anything good or bad to say about electric propulsion.

Sorry if this is in the wrong place on the forum.

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So what are you saying CSY man


that a sailing boat with a motor is a powered boat, and that this forum is only for sail boat's
Not, I did not say that.

What I am trying to get across, (although it is like feeding tootpaste back in the tube), is this: if somebody wants to raise hell about polluters on the water, they should take the message to the proper forum: Say a big-yacht forum. Them guys burn hundreds or thousands of liters diesel per day. That is where the damage is being done, not around here where people use sails for propulsion.

Why is that so hard to understand..?
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