Passagemaking question???

[twistedtree]

Shipping a 65' boat across an ocean is not cheap. Figure on $40k to $100k depending on popularity of route. And that's one way. I looked into shipping my 47' boat from FL to Vancouver and is was $50k one way.

[Pete7]

Originally Posted by GalaxyGirl

I came to the conclusion, that with 5 kids, and as a semi-liveaboard, my family would best suited for a 65' Trawler type boat. Although, I frequently have to fight the immense temptation to look at larger boats, I refrain myself (most of the time anyway), and try to stick to the plan.

Agreed a former trawler is the only way you are going to get the space needed without WW3 breaking out between the kids every 5 minutes. The other advantage to a fishing trawler is that it will probably already have big fuel tanks and lots of storage space to convert into living accommodation.

These boats are built to fish the North Sea and make trips to Iceland so no problem about big crossings and rough seas.

How about something like these, okay I appreciate it's on the wrong side of a major ocean but you will have something similar state side, or even start in europe

wooden trawler MACDUFF - FAFB

Steel Trawler - FAFB

[ranger58sb]

Originally Posted by foggysail

Yeah, but most boats lack a Zeus and a joystick. The OP is the same person in another thread who stated plans to share both her condo and a 65'+ something with herself and 5 kids with goals to live on her boat in cold New England.

It is one thing to dream and another for others to take dreamers with zero on the water experiences seriously.

The local Fleming dealer leases many slips in our marina, and a few months ago I got to chatting with one of the boat owners. Can't remember if it was a new 55' or 65'... in any case, it's their first boat.

As they always do, the dealer trained 'em in docking and so forth... no particular drama (that I know of) associated with jumping in like that.

-Chris

[foggysail]

Originally Posted by ranger42c

The local Fleming dealer leases many slips in our marina, and a few months ago I got to chatting with one of the boat owners. Can't remember if it was a new 55' or 65'... in any case, it's their first boat.

As they always do, the dealer trained 'em in docking and so forth... no particular drama (that I know of) associated with jumping in like that.

-Chris

Docking depends on many things as you know. Things such as current, wind & dock access. Our 40' docks into a finger pier along a crowed fairway. It can be challenging backing into one of those docks with 15+knot wind blowing across your beam even with twin Crusader Engines.

A large power boat has large surface areas that act in a similar manner to a sail. Strong winds are common where we keep our boat as well they must be at other marinas. Yes, docking can be done even without thrusters. Some people learn to do so quickly, others never learn as demonstrated by the number of AWE SHUCKS they suffer in the process.

Foggy

[GalaxyGirl]

Originally Posted by reefhunter

We delivered a 50' from the Bahamas to Venezuela and back several times over the past few years. With fuel bladders, the trip takes about a week.

And, we circumnavigated with a 50' and 5800 ltrs of fuel - took 5 years, but we weren't in a hurry. Our crew of five, each had their own cabin and plenty of stretch out space. On our return, we removed the Mercedes diesel for the DD671 the boat was designed to have and reduced the weight by nearly 100kg. She floated much better and actually made more speed.

I didn't know that was possible. So, that would be about 1500 gallons. So what was the range then?

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by carstenb

You might also want to check, what, if any, skippers papers you require to skipper something that size.

If it is danish registered ,for example, it will require a yachtmaster 1st class license, once it leaves danish waters. Other countries have similar requirements

I dont believe that is the case, mandatory ticketing based on size only comes in at 24 metres. since the Yachtmaster is a UK qualification issued by the MCA their rules apply and that is their rule.

dave

[GalaxyGirl]

Originally Posted by ranger42c

GG, nice to see you're still working your plan

Sometimes an "LRC" is called that simply 'cause that's what the maker (e.g., Hatt) decided to name it... and in their case, it's a decently accurate description. Note they didn't name it a "Trans-Oceanic Cruiser."

All the comments you've seen are right on the mark: ship your boat, charter is good, etc.

People make the trip from FL to the Caribbean in 20' powerboats, so most vessels in the range you're looking at would do -- for that kind of trip -- quite nicely. Note Skipmac's description of island hopping.

-Chris

Hey Chris,
ya, that's what I was beginning to wonder, if LRC was just a marketing tool because I have found that there are many other boats with long range and large tanks.

[mcarling]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

I dont believe that is the case, mandatory ticketing based on size only comes in at 24 metres. since the Yachtmaster is a UK qualification issued by the MCA their rules apply and that is their rule.

Yachtmaster 1st class is not a UK qualification. I guess it might be a Danish qualification. There is no reason why multiple countries cannot use the term Yachtmaster as part of a qualification name.

[GalaxyGirl]

Originally Posted by Pete7

Agreed a former trawler is the only way you are going to get the space needed without WW3 breaking out between the kids every 5 minutes. The other advantage to a fishing trawler is that it will probably already have big fuel tanks and lots of storage space to convert into living accommodation.

These boats are built to fish the North Sea and make trips to Iceland so no problem about big crossings and rough seas.

How about something like these, okay I appreciate it's on the wrong side of a major ocean but you will have something similar state side, or even start in europe

wooden trawler MACDUFF - FAFB

Steel Trawler - FAFB

I had kind of abandoned the desire to cross over to Europe, but maybe I should re-consider? I wish that these boats had a price so that I could get an idea.

[GalaxyGirl]

Originally Posted by ranger42c

The local Fleming dealer leases many slips in our marina, and a few months ago I got to chatting with one of the boat owners. Can't remember if it was a new 55' or 65'... in any case, it's their first boat.

As they always do, the dealer trained 'em in docking and so forth... no particular drama (that I know of) associated with jumping in like that.

-Chris

Thanks Chris for constantly reminding me that I am not SO crazy...some folks can really bring you down.

[cat man do]

Originally Posted by GalaxyGirl

I had kind of abandoned the desire to cross over to Europe, but maybe I should re-consider? I wish that these boats had a price so that I could get an idea.

Have a look on the site
Others do have prices
steel trawler - FAFB
But how much to convert and what is the fuel burn are the more important questions.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by GalaxyGirl

I had kind of abandoned the desire to cross over to Europe, but maybe I should re-consider? I wish that these boats had a price so that I could get an idea.

Prices in Europe...
1982 Hatteras 65 LRC Long Range Expedition Power New and Used Boats

1991 Hatteras Yachts (US) Hatteras 65 Power New and Used Boats for

1983 Hatteras 65 Sailing yacht Sail New and Used Boats for Sale

[GalaxyGirl]

Any opinions of something like this? Wondering if this is an ocean crossing boat. They say it goes anywhere, but would that include crossing the Atlantic? I would definitely be willing to sacrifice cabins to get an ocean crosser.

2003 KEITH MARINE Custom Long Range Trawler Power New and Used Boats

[ranger58sb]

Originally Posted by foggysail

Docking depends on many things as you know. Things such as current, wind & dock access. Our 40' docks into a finger pier along a crowed fairway. It can be challenging backing into one of those docks with 15+knot wind blowing across your beam even with twin Crusader Engines.

A large power boat has large surface areas that act in a similar manner to a sail. Strong winds are common where we keep our boat as well they must be at other marinas. Yes, docking can be done even without thrusters. Some people learn to do so quickly, others never learn as demonstrated by the number of AWE SHUCKS they suffer in the process.

Foggy

Yep, sure, all that. I only meant it as an example of folks successfully operating a relatively big honker as their very first boat

-Chris

[ranger58sb]

Originally Posted by GalaxyGirl

Hey Chris,
ya, that's what I was beginning to wonder, if LRC was just a marketing tool because I have found that there are many other boats with long range and large tanks.

Yep: What's the definition of "long"?

An owner of a "sistership" to ours made the trip from Boston to St. Thomas. Aside from an unfortunate prop/shaft ding they had to repair, and heavy weather on one of their trip legs, it was fine.

Our boat -- with tanks (520-gallons total) and typical fuel consumption while up on plane at "cruising" speed (~26 GPH) -- is definitely NOT/NOT considered a "long range" anything.

OTOH, when coastal cruising and island hopping, it's not all that difficult to refuel along the way

The Keith Marine trawler might be partially representative of the market these days, although I'm not very familiar with steel hulls... or Perkins Sabre diesels. Looks like only 3 staterooms, though...

-Chris