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Old 16-09-2011, 10:16   #16
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Re: Is 'this' Too Good to be True ?

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I'm booked on a 15-day cruise from Denmark to Florida for $599. This doesn't include air fare, but total cost (adding air fare, ground transportation, and tips) is still less than $100 a day for gourmet meals, maid service, live entertainment, library, and so on. This is about half the daily cost (60 days a year), excluding depreciation and food and without cooks, servers, and maids, for owning a boat where I'm master and commander.

Just in case you have not heard this. Traveling by boat (where you are commander) is most expensive way to travel third class.
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Old 16-09-2011, 10:28   #17
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Re: Is 'this' Too Good to be True ?

The boat is only five years old so should have no major issues but remember a power boat is all about the drive line. Those B-3 outdrives are over ten grand each if they need replacing but are quite robust. The cost of maintaining two engines on an annual basis is not cheap not to mention the cost of fuel that keeps going up, but if that is what you want go for it. I am a sailor; ergo a "cheapskate"
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Old 16-09-2011, 11:40   #18
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Re: Is 'this' Too Good to be True ?

firstly, thank-you all incredible sailing dudes, this is a very helpful conversation!!

I have three kids - two four year olds and a seven year old. Going on a cruise with them would be extremely lame for several reasons:
1) I don't want to go anywhere cruiselines go
2) I would have to go on a "kid-friendly" ship with kids everything (as in, DisneyCruise - EWWWWWW)
3) I have to pay for five airtickets

When it comes to vacations anyways, I prefer to fly to Cancun. I fantasize about boating to Los Cabos but from the Sunshine Coast in BC where we live (a tiny penninsula between mainland Vancouver and Vancouver Island) that seems like an expensive, long, insane trip with three kids.

What I mostly see us doing is taking one to four hour trips all around the Gulf islands and the coast.

Another thing is: to get to the nearest city from where we live (Vancouver), you HAVE to take a ferry! You literally can't drive to the mainland, it's all logging roads. It would be fantastic to be able to go back and forth to the city without being limited by the ferry schedule. It costs about $80 for two to go by BC Ferries anyhow (not including car gas) so trips to the city would account for some increased useage compared to people who do not have to travel by water regularly in their lives.

My father-in-law had boats for many years and my husband says they used to cruise over to Vancouver on an old trawler, it takes about an hour. This type of trip is the type we would take most often.

So what I'm saying is: I don't see the boat as a replacement for regular vacations (although I don't see wanting to pay quite as much for them with the mega-boat payments!!). It's not that I want to be on the water anywhere - it's that we want to take advantage of where we live now.

Does that make sense?
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Old 16-09-2011, 11:48   #19
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Re: Is 'this' Too Good to be True ?

You haven't said where you live but if it's in the gulf islands an old trawler won't make Vancouver in hour on the best of days. It takes a very fast boat on a calm sea to do it in one hour. One hour to four hours isn't going to take you "all over the gulf islands" unless you're talking about gunkholing from one anchorage to another.
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Re: Is 'this' Too Good to be True ?

I should add that the faster the boat the more you'll spend on fuel. I met a fellow in Victoria last year with a boat that did about 20 knots. He could get up to Queen Louisa in a short day which let him go there for a long weekend. Fuel cost around $500. It worked for him.
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Re: Is 'this' Too Good to be True ?

mom---i know some others living up there---one is a tranny specialist with a z car fetish..\lol.....gets cold in winter there......

do your shopping and searching carefully. the right boat for you will come to you.
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Re: Is 'this' Too Good to be True ?

A few points:

Yes, Brunswick owns many boat brands. But they don't build them all in the same factory. Depending on brand, market, and length of ownership, Brunswick has different levels of involvement in the operations of each company. So, just because all those brands are owned by Brunswick does not mean they are all built to the same quality.

Bayliner made some good boats several decades ago. In particular, they made a coupla models of trawlers, usually with Hino diesels, that were solid, well made boats. Over the years, they have gone up and down in quality. For quite a while they specialized in making a flashy looking boat with bells and whistles, but with a hull that scored pitifully in my very sophisticated and completely scientific knuckle rap test.

I go to the boat show every year. In the last few years the Bayliners have been simpler designs, well thought out, and better fit and finish. And they have been passing my knuckle rap test for quite a few years, now. They look like good boats, again.

The type of boat is not what I want, but if it was, I might consider one. I'm still more partial to Sea Ray and some other brands, but that's at least partially just personal preference.

One legitimate concern, is, since Bayliner does have a bad reputation, their resale value has typically been low. I don't know if that still holds true, or if the economy downturn has affected their resale more or less than others...

None of the above really gives you any absolutes. Just some things to think about.

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My Scientific opinion of Bayliners is that they tend to move a TREMENDOUS amount of water. Never seen a bigger wake from another boat, 'cept maybe an aircraft carrier.

Efficiency is not their main design criteria.
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I've had 3 Bayliners the current one is a 3870 with Hino diesels, they have all been well built boats.some Bayliners & SeaRays are built in the same plant by the same people. Get a hull survey & a mechanical survey, you will need it for Insurance & if you finance it, plus it's great for your peace of mind.
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I've had 3 Bayliners the current one is a 3870 with Hino diesels, they have all been well built boats.some Bayliners & SeaRays are built in the same plant by the same people. Get a hull survey & a mechanical survey, you will need it for Insurance & if you finance it, plus it's great for your peace of mind.
And the Companys!!!..Baitliners..I mean Baitliners..Buy a Sailboat for Petes sake...Ha ha ha ....If "The" company will give me some money I will stop this silly Tiraid..maybe..buy a sailboat and then I will stop..I promise
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Re: Is 'this' Too Good to be True ?

Just happened upon this post. I owned a SeaRay. Not a new top of the line one. In general big boats are fun, albeit maintenance hogs. Need to buy a SeaDoo for the kids. You troll out to a sand bank somewhere and hang. Let the kids run the SeaDoo until they puke, put a few shrimps on the barbie. Searay has good lines, most people agree Bayliners under 33 don't compare. Watchout for costs to haulout, work on multiple engines will be expensive. It's your life "Carpe Diem"
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Re: Is 'this' Too Good to be True ?

sea ray= chevy

bayliner= delorean
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"Babeliners" are single season boats with added features like stapled together upholstery while being built with the cheapest materials available. Pre '86 boats could be considered, (for REAL cheap) but do you really want to buy a boat built by a maker of $100.00 particle board pool tables. The newer SeaRays also belong to this group, however they're built somewhat better with a scaled up fit and finish.
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