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10-02-2017, 13:56
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Re: Biggest reason for capsizing?
I only say it is as safe as driving a car is because 90 people a day die in car/truck wrecks just in the USA alone. 365 days a year. Cars are not anywhere near safe.
I know that sh!t happens. Storms come out of nowhere and you got to pay attention when on the ocean.
Not to mention what's in the water...from whales and sharks to logs and other debis.
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10-02-2017, 14:01
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Biggest reason for capsizing?
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Originally Posted by tuffr2
I only say it is as safe as driving a car is because 90 people a day die in car/truck wrecks just in the USA alone. 365 days a year. Cars are not anywhere near safe.
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Meaningless comparison. Maybe 90 people die a day but how many millions of passenger journeys a day does that represent?
If the same number of small power boats were on the water each day you'd be looking at a lot more than 90 deaths.
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10-02-2017, 14:13
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Re: Biggest reason for capsizing?
Overloading
Steep Seas combined with poor helmsmanship
Loss of power, seas abeam
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10-02-2017, 14:22
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Re: Biggest reason for capsizing?
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The answer, of course, is "it depends". I have driven these boats, flat out 50-55 MPH and made a hard turn all the way to lock. The boat U turns and continues on.
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10-02-2017, 14:59
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Re: Biggest reason for capsizing?
Wow...that is some kinda boat. Fast and agile.
I would think most jet boats and air boats (think Everglades) may do the same spins but would slow way down.
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10-02-2017, 16:07
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Re: Biggest reason for capsizing?
Quote:
Originally Posted by tuffr2
I only say it is as safe as driving a car is because 90 people a day die in car/truck wrecks just in the USA alone. 365 days a year. Cars are not anywhere near safe.
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"There's lies, damned lies and statistics"
That comparison is ludicrous.
How many "vehicle hours" on roads per day in the USA and how many "boat hours" on water?
By the same logic, base jumping is safer than boating because fewer people die doing it each year.
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10-02-2017, 16:37
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Re: Biggest reason for capsizing?
You guys are right that I am comparing Apple's to Orages. Boats to Cars...sorry. I stand corrected....thanks.
Just and FYI: In the USA.
2015 - USCG reported 626 boating deaths.
2015 - NHSA Reported 35,095 highway traffic deaths.
More info for Florida that I did not know. There are approx 12 million boats registered and 15 million cars/trucks registered.
Again this is just information.
I think Base Jumpers die, 1 for every 25 jumps...or is that those guys in the winged suits?
So, Driving a car is safer than Boating is safer than base jumping.
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10-02-2017, 16:51
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Re: Biggest reason for capsizing?
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Originally Posted by tuffr2
You guys are right that I am comparing Apple's to Orages. Boats to Cars...sorry. I stand corrected....thanks.
Just and FYI: In the USA.
2015 - USCG reported 626 boating deaths.
2015 - NHSA Reported 35,095 highway traffic deaths.
More info for Florida that I did not know. There are approx 12 million boats registered and 15 million cars/trucks registered.
Again this is just information.
I think Base Jumpers die, 1 for every 25 jumps...or is that those guys in the winged suits?
So, Driving a car is safer than Boating is safer than base jumping.
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The number that caught my eye was over 250 million cars and trucks registered in the USA. Now THAT is a sobering number.
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11-02-2017, 08:46
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Re: Biggest reason for capsizing?
even pangas flip in heavy confused seas. even with only 2 or 3 people in them. it depends on conditions. is how fishermen in southwest mexico disappear
flying bridge power boats will flip with overloaded flybridge. especially in heavy seas.
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12-02-2017, 13:09
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Re: Biggest reason for capsizing?
My sister in law worked for Florida fish and wildlife, a federal law enforcement agency. There was no question about the cause of most boat accidents. Alcohol.
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12-02-2017, 14:49
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Re: Biggest reason for capsizing?
Re relative safety of boats vs cars: My feeling is that many automotive deaths are caused by the actions of other drivers and vehicles, not the victim's. As in the drunk who head-ons you in your lane, etc. In boating, I reckon this is a small factor (not unknown). So, a prudent boater can practically reduce his risk to nearly zero, whilst a prudent driver has a harder time doing so.
This has little to do with the op's question!
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12-02-2017, 15:15
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Re: Biggest reason for capsizing?
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Originally Posted by GILow
The number that caught my eye was over 250 million cars and trucks registered in the USA. Now THAT is a sobering number.
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And the average persons IQ is? That's what worries me, drivers (people) aren't getting smarter.
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12-02-2017, 15:35
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Re: Biggest reason for capsizing?
In land lakes are very dangerous with dozens of 'go fast' boats zig zagging back and forth throwing off their rooster tails. Add alcohol and yikes, extra dangerous. Many of these boats are 80 to 100 mph boats. YouTube poker run at any inland lake. (Lake Cumberland for example).
The 625 boating deaths was reported by the USCG so these do not count all boating deaths or drownings.
I would add testosterone poisoning as well as alcohol as a reason for boating accidents.
But on these lakes, even in a small runabout boat I never worried about capsizing. Sure, I worried about being hit by another boat but again, not capsizing by a wave.
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12-02-2017, 16:08
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Re: Biggest reason for capsizing?
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I would add testosterone poisoning as well as alcohol as a reason for boating accidents
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Funny!
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12-02-2017, 17:05
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Re: Biggest reason for capsizing?
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Originally Posted by Tetepare
Anchoring from the stern while fishing. Waves pick up, swamp boat, boat capsizes.
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Agree with above, boat gets swamped, becomes unstable and capsizes easily either with crew movements or next wave.
Same as above without any waves..... 20 ft alu plate powerboat, approx 15 NM from shore, anchored from astern port quarter, skipper decides to find better fishing spot, a crew forgot to raise the anchor, skipper gave his Suzuki 150 HP (HP from memory) lots of throttle...... flipped the boat, all 3 crew in water, could not turn the boat. Boats remained afloat (upside down) and anchored.
Crew were rescued by chopper, boat was towed back by sea rescue vessel.
Message: check your anchor before putting hand on gear/throttle.
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