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Old 10-05-2014, 17:20   #121
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Yes but have you written that into your hurricane plan for the insurance compny and did you specify which glue??
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Before you decide, contact Emerald Bay Marina north of Georgetown. See if you can make a standing storm reservation with them. Back away from the sea opening in that marina is about as protected as you'll get in the Exumas. We have friends that have ridden out a number of bad blows in there quite comfortably. Otherwise you might want to second guess having kids in a spot where a good number of blows seem to wander through. If I were caught there, I jump the stream on first probability something seriuos may be coming through, even if it's not a preferred window (as long as the crossing isn't outright dangerous in and of itself). Personally I consider that whole area too exposed for a serious storm. We're currently mid-Caribbean, and will be for the season, and I consider this better than there. Spent 8 years in Florida on the ICW and consider that better too. Good luck mom!
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Bahamas facilities are "first rate"?

Total bulltwaddle.

You can't really pitch that crap without being taken to task.

Theres nothing first rate there except Atlantis in Nassau and at $7 per foot per night and theres no haulout facility within cooee.

To just gild the lilly to folks inexperienced that may influence them to go, or stay in a hurricane season is irresponsible to the max.

Its even hard to get a decent tomato in most of the Bahamas let alone quality hurricane rated marinas or dry storage.

As for those that wish to do a 36 hour or 48 hour run back to Florida across the path of an incoming hurricane.... That may be the least wise decision of ones sailing life. Bad weather can precede hurricanes by hundreds of miles. And one minor breakage or breakdown and you are flopping at sea for the hurricane to smote your butt.

Finally, just because someone has a paid captain on board it doesnt mean the boat of the family is at all safe. At the first mention of a hurricane the captain may just UP AND DISAPPEAR. I am sure as hell not risking my life for a few hundred dollars per week to drive some boat into the teeth of a hurricane. I'd be off like a shot booking into Atlantis to play in the casino where I'd have a chance of coming out in front.


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So if you live in Florida where should you go, The panhandle? The Northeast? Haulout? ( Florida is so low and flat that it would not take much for most boat yards to be underwater... Maybe up to St Louis would be safe but then you might get by a Tornado. Guess well go to Guatemala...

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So if you live in Florida where should you go, The panhandle? The Northeast? Haulout? ( Florida is so low and flat that it would not take much for most boat yards to be underwater... Maybe up to St Louis would be safe but then you might get by a Tornado. Guess well go to Guatemala...

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Lets not forget Sandy did great damage in NJ/NY and the perfect storm was North of that. Some folks have complained about thunder storms and lighting in Rio Dulce, not to mention the heat.

There are few places on earth where one is safe from bad weather.
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People I know who cruise the Bahamas and live in the NE, leave boats in Georgia for the Summer. I think there are protected locations with haul out. Our insurance requires north of Cumberland Island. Presumably we could pay more if we (they) wanted to take the risk. No idea what the premium would be but even here in MA they just increased our seasonal rate by 20% because of Sandy.
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People I know who cruise the Bahamas and live in the NE, leave boats in Georgia for the Summer. I think there are protected locations with haul out. Our insurance requires north of Cumberland Island. Presumably we could pay more if we (they) wanted to take the risk. No idea what the premium would be but even here in MA they just increased our seasonal rate by 20% because of Sandy.
Many insurance companies draw an arbitrary line that fits their convenience and statistics, but there's no real safety difference between Brunswick, Georgia and Green Cove Springs, Florida. Those with insurance mandates need to comply. Those that can move under 55' fixed bridges can find safety in many parts f Florida and if you can move under a 45' fixed bridge there's even more safety for you. Keep in mind, once winds are up to 35mph or if there has been a mandatory evacuation declared, bridges will not be opening and stopping traffic for boaters!
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It's just that in this discussion it is somewhat relevant. It impacts your ability to use the boat in various parts of the Bahamas, the time it would require for you to return to Florida, the people capable of a haul out, and the marinas with available slips for your boat.

As to haul out versus water, there are many factors. Very few marinas have slips designed for hurricanes, but when they do, it's a great option. They need to be floating and need very high poles so the docks won't rise above them. It's also a matter of where you haul out. If it's right at the coast and only elevated three or four feet, not accomplished much. But if it's somewhere like Jarrett Bay or Bennett Brothers then a haulout is likely a very good choice. Honestly, our plan includes both options. If in Fort Lauderdale we would leave them in the water. If further up the coast, closer to NC, we'd haul out.

As to ducking out, that wasn't meant in a negative desertion type way, but just that you hadn't posted in the thread recently. Fully anticipated you ducking back in as you have.
GG - you should absolutely listen to everything B&B tells you since he has posted 750 times in the last year and seems to know Florida well. Damn this thread is over the top. Would iit be quite as obnoxious if the OP wasn't a woman? I kind of doubt it.
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GG - you should absolutely listen to everything B&B tells you since he has posted 750 times in the last year and seems to know Florida well. Damn this thread is over the top. Would iit be quite as obnoxious if the OP wasn't a woman? I kind of doubt it.
Five trips to the Bahamas in the last 18 months too.

I don't see that being a woman has anything to do with it. Lack of experience and approach certainly do. And being a single parent does. I doubt there would be nearly the discussion if there weren't kids involved, although my assumption was regardless she'd get the kids to safety even if that meant leaving the boat somewhere bad.
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Well, if yer all that, why don't you recommend a couple hurricane hole for the lady as she requested . . .
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GG - you should absolutely listen to everything B&B tells you ...................
I'm constantly amazed by my inability to see things like others. Not seeing Florida, I've been sailing in Florida since 1957 and I see Florida just like BandB. My problem is you just showed me B&B and all this time I've been reading posts by "Band"-B. Here I was enjoying the music and you tell me it's a Bed 'n Breakfast! ...who here is "coloring in the lines"? ....am I a gog short in the cognitive skills?
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Well, if yer all that, why don't you recommend a couple hurricane hole for the lady as she requested . . .
Hard to do without even knowing what boat she's buying. Size, draft, speed are important. For me personally, it's get back to Fort Lauderdale and up the New River or Dania cut off to one of the marinas, but that requires a hurricane contract in advance generally.
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Hard to do without even knowing what boat she's buying. Size, draft, speed are important. For me personally, it's get back to Fort Lauderdale and up the New River or Dania cut off to one of the marinas, but that requires a hurricane contract in advance generally.
Oh yeah, I get it. Just don't know why it took 9 posts in this thread for you to say: "I don't know"
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I'm constantly amazed by my inability to see things like others. Not seeing Florida, I've been sailing in Florida since 1957 and I see Florida just like BandB. My problem is you just showed me B&B and all this time I've been reading posts by "Band"-B. Here I was enjoying the music and you tell me it's a Bed 'n Breakfast! ...who here is "coloring in the lines"? ....am I a gog short in the cognitive skills?
Yes, sorry to disappoint you. No Bed 'n Breakfast here although we do have a bed and we often eat breakfast. B is first letter of each of our first names.

I never thought of NY and NJ as risky, until the last few years. But not long ago a marina destroyed on the TN river by a storm. On an inland lake in NC, we quite often had damage by storms and one tornado to sweep through.

Generally in Florida the further inland you can go the safer it is felt your boat will be but that's certainly not always the case. Fort Lauderdale is pretty well protected as the breaks in the coast for the inlets are infrequent and small. Look at the destruction in the Galveston area the last ten years. And Arkansas, Mississippi and Alabama mainlands with just tornadoes. Ironic we think of earthquakes and California, but far more danger and damage by fires sweeping out of control. I grew up in NC and my father's secretary had a place in Buxton NC of all places. Only Ocracoke was worse. But then I also worked with a person with a summer home on the coast in Carolina Beach. His last rebuild of the home was his third.

I choose to live in FL and feel as safe as I would most places. I take precautions, will take action with an approaching storm, and will not risk lives for possessions. Look at all the 50-100 year old homes in the Bahamas. They've survived somehow.
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GG - you should absolutely listen to everything B&B tells you since he has posted 750 times in the last year ,,,
I think it's more accurate to say he's posted 750 times in the past 4 or 5 months.

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