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Old 27-07-2015, 15:27   #76
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Re: When we shouldn't encourage people to "just go"

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One of the problems on CF advise on the subject is that too many people think that cruising on a sail boat is about sailing. This misplaced thought process results in a large group of members just not seeing how it could be possible to do it by getting a 40'+ boat and heading off from a starting point of being older and never sailed.

That group just can not accept that sailing is basically pretty frekin easy!
I wholeheartedly agree. Some basic preparation is required, but its really not that hard.

I think the issue is due to the fact its not the sailing that is hard, but the entire process (at least before retirement age).
1. Buying the boat.
2. Learning ot sail
3. Outfitting the boat.
4. Saving enough in the kitty (For some this takes 10 or more years).
5. Quiting job.
6. Selling everything.
7. ect.

If you were sucessfull and got out cruising, you don't want the process trivialized. If you weren't sucessful, then you have trouble seeing someone else be sucessfull.

For me.. Numbers 1 - 4 were the easy part.
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Old 27-07-2015, 16:00   #77
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They were so close to being a train wreck a myriad of times.
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Old 27-07-2015, 16:06   #78
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To bad this forum doesn't support a "like" function
I agree totally! The other forum I am on, Sailnet, uses it and it really equalises the ratbags out of their bs. An intelligent comment will get 5 "Likes" and a moronic will get 1...from the idiots idiot mate.

CF should bring it in here. It really is a great advantage.
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I wholeheartedly agree. Some basic preparation is required, but its really not that hard.

I think the issue is due to the fact its not the sailing that is hard, but the entire process (at least before retirement age).
1. Buying the boat.
2. Learning ot sail
3. Outfitting the boat.
4. Saving enough in the kitty (For some this takes 10 or more years).
5. Quiting job.
6. Selling everything.
7. ect.

If you were sucessfull and got out cruising, you don't want the process trivialized. If you weren't sucessful, then you have trouble seeing someone else be sucessfull.

For me.. Numbers 1 - 4 were the easy part.
Actually, for some the sailing is hard.

We have a couple guys at our dock where some of the older guys (I'm about 60 so they ain't real old at 70) hope their boats sink at the dock before they kill themselves sailing.

One guy was sailing home one night when the forecast was for 35-40 knot winds for days. He sailed anyway with some passengers that had never sailed.

His motor quit and he couldn't get in and ended up slamming against the Chesapeake Bay Bridge until the Coast Guard picked him/them up.

The wind would have been abeam to sail in to the creek. A very deep, very protected and wide creek. He had maybe 6 miles to figure it out being blown downwind toward his destination but ended up at the bridge.

I was thinking of taking an ASA course until the guy said " can you sail up to a mooring and stop?" This after I told him I had raced beach cats for years

I didn't laugh at him but almost. I'm a racer trying to learn cruising.

My point is, it takes all types!

I didn't take the course.
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Old 27-07-2015, 16:35   #80
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Re: When we shouldn't encourage people to "just go"

Six pages and no one has posted the ever-popular Mark Twain and Sterling Hayden quotes. Am I in the right place?
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You sound like you're ready. One thing you should carry with you at all times is a rock tied to a string. You can always tell up from down. Just go for it!!

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I agree totally! The other forum I am on, Sailnet, uses it and it really equalises the ratbags out of their bs. An intelligent comment will get 5 "Likes" and a moronic will get 1...from the idiots idiot mate.

CF should bring it in here. It really is a great advantage.
Mark, I think you might have that backwards? I see more support for the moronic ones. I think many come from people that never left the dock.

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Everybody makes their own mistakes. We can only put out there our experience and in the end some people end up no longer in the gene pool.
Sadly, usually after procreating. Their genes are already out there.
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Old 27-07-2015, 17:12   #84
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Brewing any beer on board these days.
No. I am sitting in a bar in Flatiron drinking Scotch and water trying to get rid of my beer gut.
Do you think one Scotch will do it or should I have a double??




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Old 27-07-2015, 17:30   #85
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Not him of course, but reminds me a little of Andrew Macauley, be he ne'er so prepared, he was still not prepared, but rather driven to his own destruction:

https://vimeo.com/10150048

One wonders whether his mates and others encouraged, or sought to discourage. His own emotions betray some sense that he did not want to go at all, but nonetheless felt compelled to do so. A case where a quiet, or even loud word of dissuasion and reassurance that he need not go might have saved his life?
What a waste.....sad, sad story. Why a safety escort vessel wasn't used is beyond me.
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Old 27-07-2015, 18:59   #86
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Re: When we shouldn't encourage people to "just go"

The great maritime author Felix Reisenberg had a saying that's engraved above the sallyport at SUNY Maritime College... "The sea is selective, slow at recognition of effort and aptitude but fast in the sinking of the unfit."

Personally I believe the only prerequisite for sailing is being humble therefore we should encourage everyone who answers yes to either of these two questions:

1) Do you have significant knowledge and (at least some) experience sailing in conditions that far outstripped your experience?
2) Are you willing to die?

Now before anyone says I'm being overly morose... I'm not against people who, of their own will and volition, risk own their life based on factors they have little/no control over (Motorcyclists do this daily). And you do not need to risk your life to take the first option (just crew for a good delivery captain the next time conditions are rough).

So the only people I'd ever try to dissuade are people who don't know what they are getting themselves into... people who don't realize that the ocean is not their friend (News flash: the ocean doesn't care if you live or die).

In short, I think we can encourage any free-willed adult who truly understands the risk and their own level of competence (even if it's low)... and only discourage
the blind (and arrogant) from leading the blind.

P.S. Where I get tripped up is with children. How much risk can I subject my kids to? When the kidos are aboard we are anal about the weather reports, carry SOLAS grade safety gear and never venture beyond the reach of a USCG helicopter.... but sailing to Hawaii is tempting.
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My wife enjoyed the blog. I didn't want to hear about it after they painted their man-overboard-pole a gray color because they didn't like the orange color it is supposed to be, so I guess I am more an old fart than a fanboy.

Won't stop me from giving credit where credit is due...
Lol were you one of those. To funny. You know they had to do that just to to upset you.. Lol

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Re: When we shouldn't encourage people to "just go"

Sometimes the best advice is ...."Sell your boat....save your family"
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Re: When we shouldn't encourage people to "just go"

Speaking as one of these people that have had a dream for the past 5 years with no previous experience and am working to make it a reality next year, I thought I would throw a couple of points in for the other side.

I have been following the forums here for quite a while and have watched as many people new and not so new ask for advice.
They often they get a mix of good advice, average advice and down right Troll like behaviour.

The company I currently work for have a open feedback policy for both good feedback and constructive feedback. It is all about the intent of the feedback and how it presented. I have to say it is the most positive and successful company I have ever worked for. Food for thought maybe.

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Now I may be wrong, but the above dictionary view on forum doesn't say anywhere that you need to be nasty or troll like. If you have a view, then present it and the reasons behind it.



Cruiser forum is one of many places I do my research and have found some good pieces of advice from members mostly by lurking. Even when stupid questions are posted the thread can provide a gold nugget.




Last comment, Dreams become reality by receiving a strong foundation of advice and help. Dreams can become a nightmare from a lack of good advice or as a knee jerk reaction to people crushing a dream. So don't be Freddie kruger
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Re: When we shouldn't encourage people to "just go"

I will say not everyone can cope with cruising. Just the way it is. Met a family in the Bahamas, they bought a boat with little help (or little listening anyway) the engine went bad immediately. They replaced the engine. then left for the islands.
The amazing thing is he was a HS Shop teacher! He seemed to know nothing really. Rusty anchor chain, anchored in the swell where no one else was anchored, shackle rusted tight on undersized and rusting chain, nothing keeping the pin in but rust. Wiring a rat's nest everywhere. No knowledge of how to find a fuse issue etc.
Two kids on board. Confusion everywhere. I tried to help out but the basic instinct just wasnt there. They returned to Fl from the Bahamas.
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