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Old 29-07-2015, 07:43   #166
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Re: When we shouldn't encourage people to "just go"

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I've been following on YouTube a young Aussie couple doing a circumnavigation. From what I understand the guy broke his back in an accident and it motivated him for this adventure. He went to Italy and bought a 43 foot Beneteau even though he had no sailing experience. He got help from people there to learn how to sail his boat. Set off for Greece cruising solo at times. There he met an Aussie girl and she joined him.

They are great people. Met them in the Caribbean. Salt of the earth. They would both be hounded put of a forum like this.
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Old 29-07-2015, 07:54   #167
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Re: When we shouldn't encourage people to "just go"

Another angle to this concept... internet postings are increasingly being scrutinized by the authorities. Especially in cases that end up with someone hurt. For example, in New Zealand its my understanding that they have passed a trolling law; if you say something like "go kill yourself", even if you don't mean it and even if the person doesn't do it, you can be criminally charged somehow.

New Zealand bans cyberbulling, threatens internet trolls with up to 3 years in prison - Quartz

I can imagine a day where someone gets advise from us, goes out sailing, sinks their boat and the the next thing we know, CruiserForum folks are getting subpoenas.
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Old 29-07-2015, 08:02   #168
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Oh, so would that make me the idiot mate? I do agree likes do work.
Hey, only 1 guy liked that rock and string post. That makes me an idiot. Finally moving up in this world! Booyah!

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Old 29-07-2015, 08:13   #169
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Re: When we shouldn't encourage people to "just go"

Who ever said people should go get dinghy experience before cruising. 1 guy takes one element of a post totally out of context and now nobody can read.

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Old 29-07-2015, 08:49   #170
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Re: When we shouldn't encourage people to "just go"

Sailing is both a science and an art. Einstein was one of the worlds smartest men, he loved sailing but he was a really crappy sailor. Most of the worlds best sailors did in fact start on dinghy's and racing in them.
If you want to learn how to sail well get on a race boat for a few seasons. Most cruisers are not very good sailors but they don't have to be. Many people have sailed around this globe with mediocre sailing skills but good cruising skills. Applying good cruising skills and some common sense will allow you to safely sail almost anywhere. Good sailors are not necessarily good cruisers and good cruisers are not necessarily good sailors. If you can skipper an America's Cup boat you are a hell of a sailor but that may not qualify you to be a good cruiser and just because you can sail around the world does not qualify you as a good sailor.
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Old 29-07-2015, 08:50   #171
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Re: When we shouldn't encourage people to "just go"

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To be fair, lots of advice involves the following:



Go make friends at the marina and sail with them to see if you like it( many variations on this)



Join a club and see if you like that.



Take a few classes to see if you like that and get some real knowledge. Also, read a lot on the topic for the same reasons.



Buy a cheap boat and get used to maintenance and see if you can deal with that.



However, is it any surprise that if one come to a sailing forum looking for encouragement to go cruise that one might find that encouragement?

This post received no comment. However, I do believe in most cases, both encouragement and sound advice is given to the dreamers who come here. The encouragement sounds a lot like: "come on down, it has been great..." The advice is typically centered around getting the poster knowledgeable enough to survive or decide better of the idea.


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Re: When we shouldn't encourage people to "just go"

I'm all for encouragement, but that should include the proper preparative steps : learning to sail and navigate, preparing and shaking down the boat, and so on.
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They are great people. Met them in the Caribbean. Salt of the earth. They would both be hounded put of a forum like this.
I know.... I saw that Riley has just started a blog and was posting stuff from his trip so far. In St Martin some guy named Mark helped him with his rudder and Mark had a massive smile in the photo. I suspect Mark was not smiling for the camera but at the photographer 😜

Circumnavigation, bendy boat, no previous sailing experience and until Greece, mostly solo. What makes you think they'd be hounded 😉




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Re: When we shouldn't encourage people to "just go"

Many apparently opposing views and somehow they all make sense to me.

I think about the only time I respond with: "definitely, do NOT go" is when I get asked by people in mid-life crisis of half baked children and much hated jobs. I simply do not see extended cruising vacations as a way of solving long accumulated (a.k.a well earned) trouble from fear and money driven life management.

So, my reluctance to tell people "just go" is actually socially and psychologically driven rather than sailing skills (or rather lack of thereof) driven.

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I'm all for encouragement, but that should include the proper preparative steps : learning to sail and navigate, preparing and shaking down the boat, and so on.
Yes, but your version of sailing knowledge, nav and prep may not agree with others. There be a difficulty No one should cross an ocean untill they have crossed an ocean... The ARC has a good one... To do the ARC you need to have gotten to the Canaries lol
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Who ever said people should go get dinghy experience before cruising. 1 guy takes one element of a post totally out of context and now nobody can read.

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It's mentioned at least once per "I have a dream but have never sailed" thread


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Hey, only 1 guy liked that rock and string post. That makes me an idiot. Finally moving up in this world! Booyah!

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Re: When we shouldn't encourage people to "just go"

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They are great people. Met them in the Caribbean. Salt of the earth. They would both be hounded put of a forum like this.
Mark,

I think hoppy's key phrase was "Got help and learned how to sail." As opposed to go off blindly as I see some encouraged to do.

I want to buy a 50' sail boat and solo around the world next week, what is a mast?
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I think we should always encourage people to live their dreams. And also encourage them to not take shortcuts. Big dreams often require many small steps.

If someone comes here and tells us their dreams they are often looking for direction to get them along on their dream (or for help is finding out if their dream is true to their situation).

People react oddly at best to restrictions or information that is counter to their views. (Take the skipper that was told of the broken swivel on their anchor from the photos of anchors setting thread).

Others just by their nature are not very capable of learning from others and strike out on their own (scoobert) with the degree of success often a matter of luck.

So we could say "that is a great dream, don't forget to get some training, read a book or two and have a surveyor take a look to be sure the boat is seaworthy".

It reminds me of 2 young men I met at the top of the Reid Headwall on Mt Hood. They were holding their snowboards looking over the headwall and were clearly intending to ride down it.

Now I could of gone over and told them what fools they were and that they were stupid for even thinking about it. But, rather, I started talking to them about how I had just soloed it and that the 200' of 70 degree ice half way down was in great shape and made for some great climbing as well as the 500' of 50-60 degree hard pack.

They found another slope to ride. Some of course would go anyway - we read about them often enough.
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Re: When we shouldn't encourage people to "just go"

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More important than a rock and string on some boats is:

Rock, Paper, Scissors!

Very Useful for deciding who gets to do the dirty work aboard, such as unclogging a clogged head, going for water, taking anchor watch, cleaning dishes, etc.
Less useful for us solo sailors.


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