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21-05-2017, 12:49
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Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Friday Harbor, WA
Boat: 1988 Ericson 34
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Starboard red ..... Port green
I had a steering malfunction on my 1988 Ericson 34, and needed to replace a sheave pin and the two steering cables that come out of the Edson pedestal and go to the quadrant on the rudder post. This was reasonably straightforward once I figured out how to free some ancient rotten aluminum bolts. So I was pretty pleased with myself, and asked my wife to come with me for a sea trial. As soon as I backed out of the slip, I knew something was wrong - the boat was not steering properly. It soon became clear that the rudder was moving in the wrong direction. But I still motoring backwards in the narrow marina fairway! Somehow I got out into clear water without hitting anything, shifted into forward gear and paused to calm my nerves. Then I inched my way back into the slip, muttering to myself "boat to the right, wheel to the left....". The problem was that I had neglected to cross the cables inside the pedestal. It's actually pretty obvious once you look closely at how everything is aligned in there, but I was being careless when taking it all apart an putting it back together. So that's my embarrassing story. Still makes me feel dumb.
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21-05-2017, 15:51
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Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: aboard, cruising in Australia
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Re: Starboard red ..... Port green
Easy thing to do, mate.
You know how in the States, we say, "red, right returning?" The buoyage system in Australia is reversed. Now, Jim and I say, "red, right, reaving!" true.
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21-05-2017, 15:53
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Re: Starboard red ..... Port green
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Originally Posted by JPA Cate
Easy thing to do, mate.
You know how in the States, we say, "red, right returning?" The buoyage system in Australia is reversed. Now, Jim and I say, "red, right, reaving!" true.
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Hehe, nah, the states has it reversed...
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21-05-2017, 17:13
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Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Southern Maine
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Re: Starboard red ..... Port green
Yeah, makes it hard for us here, working on hydraulics. Is the red hose the port (light) or the starboard (buoy)?
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21-05-2017, 17:22
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Re: Starboard red ..... Port green
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Originally Posted by JPA Cate
The buoyage system in Australia is reversed. .
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"The IALA Maritime Buoyage System is divided into two regions. Region A includes part of the Atlantic Ocean, Africa, Europe, Asia, Middle East, Australia and part of the Pacific Ocean. Region B includes North and South America."
linky
Interesting to note that Guam and the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands, although a US territory and commonwealth respectively, are considered to be in region A.
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21-05-2017, 18:47
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Location: Port Ludlow Wa
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Re: Starboard red ..... Port green
Just lucky you weren't heading out the back way from Roche...could have been a jarring experience. :-)
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22-05-2017, 01:58
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Senior Cruiser
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Port Moresby,Papua New Guinea
Boat: FP Belize Maestro 43 and OPBs
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Re: Starboard red ..... Port green
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Originally Posted by hafa
"The IALA Maritime Buoyage System is divided into two regions. Region A includes part of the Atlantic Ocean, Africa, Europe, Asia, Middle East, Australia and part of the Pacific Ocean. Region B includes North and South America."
linky
Interesting to note that Guam and the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands, although a US territory and commonwealth respectively, are considered to be in region A.
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Philippines, Japan and Korea are also "Region B".
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22-05-2017, 08:18
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Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: Gulf Coast of FL
Boat: Pearson
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Re: Starboard red ..... Port green
No worries capt. you figured it outand fixed it. that why they put erasers on pencils....😊
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22-05-2017, 09:51
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Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: fl- various marinas
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Re: Starboard red ..... Port green
Right red returning works well in the states but watch out for those pesky ocean inlets on ICW when they switch from 'returning' means southbound. I got caught on that one going from southbound on the waterway to the Atlantic where "returning" means shore bound. Realized it about 10 seconds after I got stuck.
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22-05-2017, 14:14
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Join Date: May 2008
Location: cruising SW Pacific
Boat: Jon Sayer 1-off 46 ft fract rig sloop strip plank in W Red Cedar
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Re: Starboard red ..... Port green
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Originally Posted by Dave22q
Right red returning works well in the states but watch out for those pesky ocean inlets on ICW when they switch from 'returning' means southbound. I got caught on that one going from southbound on the waterway to the Atlantic where "returning" means shore bound. Realized it about 10 seconds after I got stuck.
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Inland waterways can lead to confusion in both "A" and "B" regions. For instance, there's a spot in the 'main channel" going through the Broadwater region south of Moreton Bay where the markings change sex abruptly, and for no obvious reason. There's a long series of 'red on the right" beacons (heading south), then a single cardinal mark, and then it switches to 'green on the right". I suspect that there is a big ding in the bud bank around there... I know we contributed to it once! Of course, if one is paying close attention to the chart, it is obvious, but.......
Jim
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22-05-2017, 14:24
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Join Date: Oct 2013
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Re: Starboard red ..... Port green
People have made the same mistake when rerigging airplane controls and the result is very different! So, be glad you were in a sailboat where things happen more slowly.
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22-05-2017, 15:55
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Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Mannum, Australia
Boat: Houseboat, 60ft.
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Re: Starboard red ..... Port green
I found it confusing cruising up the River Murray in Australia when I came across a few bridges that had red & green 'indicators' fixed on the bridge itself (overhead & on pylons).
Out of curiosity I immediately turned around & found them reversed.
Seems indicators in rivers and channels are dependent on upstream or downstream?
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22-05-2017, 16:15
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Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: ashore in So Calif.
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Re: Starboard red ..... Port green
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Originally Posted by Wotname
Hehe, nah, the states has it reversed...
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Unclear to me why no one has said it: Since Oz is "down under," things are up-side-down. Unless you are there. It is a mirror image of the way things are [up over?] and ought to be, so the confusion is normal, sort of like vinyl record had a Side A and a Side B, which also explains the navigation areas as created by international bureaucrats, depending upon how one spins things. It also explains why the most obvious way of installing steering cable can cause it to work in reverse. If their earlier parent country had driven on the other side, everything would be properly reversed.
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22-05-2017, 16:52
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Join Date: Oct 2008
Boat: Custom cutter, 42'
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Re: Starboard red ..... Port green
I took off in a new to me plane years ago. The plane, unknown to me, had just had its controls worked on and the ailerons had been cross connected, ie hooked up in reverse. I realized what had happened before I dug a wing tip into the runway, but it was a near thing.
Paying attention to details and taking nothing for granted is a good way to live longer.
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22-05-2017, 17:23
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Moderator
Join Date: May 2008
Location: cruising SW Pacific
Boat: Jon Sayer 1-off 46 ft fract rig sloop strip plank in W Red Cedar
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Re: Starboard red ..... Port green
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Originally Posted by Pauls
I took off in a new to me plane years ago. The plane, unknown to me, had just had its controls worked on and the ailerons had been cross connected, ie hooked up in reverse. I realized what had happened before I dug a wing tip into the runway, but it was a near thing.
Paying attention to details and taking nothing for granted is a good way to live longer.
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I'm not a pilot, but I thought that part of the SOP before taking off was to waggle all the controls and look out the window to see that they were functioning properly... Not so??
Jim
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