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Old 25-05-2016, 02:39   #91
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The OP was visiting a foreign country, found a small laser sailboat owned by rich capitalists, "rescued it" with the intent to extort some ransom from the rightful owners by first sinking the rig in a secret spot, and not telling the local police where it was until he was paid the ransom by the rich capitalist resort owner.
This is a lie and a totally inappropriate description of what happened (acc. to op).

You come through as a bully sailing a oh so big Oyster 53 without any empathie for a small 27 foot boat and a sailor with not so much budget. What's bad to do honest work to be able to sail around and do free OpenCPN work for the benefit of others?

Then you overglorify St. Lucia when in reallity the 'paradise', lamentably, has become a stinking small island with thiefs, crimes, corruption and unfriendly encounters. Did you read the posts #3, #6 and #8? How can you dare to turn around the police robbing the rescued dinghy into something good?

I don't write here often but do very much enjoy occasional reading. This post, Kenomac, was not at all pleasant to read. Go back into your cabine... :-(

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Old 25-05-2016, 02:47   #92
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Yep, there was. The OP was visiting a foreign country, found a small laser sailboat owned by rich capitalists, "rescued it" with the intent to extort some ransom from the rightful owners by first sinking the rig in a secret spot, and not telling the local police where it was until he was paid the ransom by the rich capitalist resort owner. He then received more than he bargained for from the police and some CF members.

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I'm sorry, but I disagree with this and the harsh, uncompromising interpretation of the story in other posts.

Sure, we should help others without asking for reward, but there are times when its not worth the trouble helping others because maybe the effort isn't worth the results or because the effort won't be appreciated or because to help puts you in unacceptable danger. Each case on its merits.

With this situation there was a low value capsized resort dinghy out at sea, the owner of which was most likely a business where the impact of the loss was not as large as with a personal owner. I personally wouldn't have recovered it to tow it in, all the more if there was any risk I might have been accused of stealing it (as I believe was a risk the OP was running). I would have noted the location and reported it on land. Had the boat been a cruiser's dinghy, I would have recovered it. Ditto a drifting yacht and I wouldn't have asked for or accepted a reward. That is how it should be. But still, had I found a drifting yacht in the middle of the Atlantic, I might well leave it unless it was a Gunboat with a broken mast. Its a balanced assessment of risk, effort and benefit.

I believe the OP made that assessment and thought he would leave the boat, but he is short of cash and may be lucky and get a decent reward. That reward could be a fair compensation for his effort and reflect to a degree the value to the owner. He probably realized the dinghy was a business asset, so the concept of a business transaction was all the more acceptable than it would be to a private owner. He was probably aware of the concept of marine salvage, but at no time did he use that to bully and extort money out of anyone or to demand a return of the dinghy from the police. He could have done this, that he didn't suggests a less than greedy approach.

I also don't believe the OP to be a greedy person. He has been wrongly judged. He is a major contributor to the programming of OpenCPN, which involves donating large amounts of time and effort to the boating community for no financial gain and maybe by doing this he isn't working and it is is part of the reason why he he has no money and wants to make some. I also don't judge him badly for having no money and living outside the rat-race. People live their lives as they do for all kinds of reasons, mostly they will be logical reasons for them and are a result of their personal life experiences and we don't have to criticise or judge them because we see things differently.

The poor sod got robbed by locals he took sailing for free, robbed by the police and had his efforts refused as worthless by the resort. He deserves some sympathy too.
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I've no idea what point you are trying to make, but the music is absolutely ***** with a capital S. And, no, this is not a matter of opinion.

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I've no idea what point you are trying to make, but the music is absolutely ***** with a capital S. And, no, this is not a matter of opinion.

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This is a lie and a totally inappropriate description of what happened (acc. to op).

You come through as a bully sailing a oh so big Oyster 53 without any empathie for a small 27 foot boat and a sailor with not so much budget. What's bad to do honest work to be able to sail around and do free OpenCPN work for the benefit of others?

Then you overglorify St. Lucia when in reallity the 'paradise', lamentably, has become a stinking small island with thiefs, crimes, corruption and unfriendly encounters. Did you read the posts #3, #6 and #8? How can you dare to turn around the police robbing the rescued dinghy into something good?

I don't write here often but do very much enjoy occasional reading. This post, Kenomac, was not at all pleasant to read. Go back into your cabine... :-(

A hearty thumps up for boat alexandra :-)
Yeah, yeah, yeah....... Blah, blah, blah..... B.S.

His work on OpenCPN has nothing to do with the OP's behavior in this matter.... two separate issues.

A fellow CF member Charie onboard his immaculate Hans Christian and I had absolutely no empathy for the small 30ft powerboat on the day we rescued it off the rocky beach a couple years ago off Mahon, Menorca? Neither of us even thought to ask for or try to extort money from the British family on the boat. We just did what needed to be done at the time. The folks on board were so shook up by the experience that they even forgot to thank us.

It wasn't until two days later when I chance met up with them in town, that thanks were bestowed on us.

I would never have considered asking for money, nor would I or Charlie have accepted it for our troubles. I guess that's just a difference in our moral internal code and upbringing.
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I've no idea what point you are trying to make, but the music is absolutely ***** with a capital S. And, no, this is not a matter of opinion.

I think I got everything right.
see, i can call this thread the same way without spelling it out loud and use a title that illustrates that i at least acknowledge that there are people out there that may think different.
which does not mean i enjoy the performance i posted, in fact i could care less. i wouldn't even call it music.

but that depth of humour is wasted on the average internet reader i reckon.
i go back to my shed.
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see, i can call this thread the same way without spelling it out loud and use a title that illustrates that i at least acknowledge that there are people out there that may think different.
which does not mean i enjoy the performance i posted, in fact i could care less. i wouldn't even call it music.

but that depth of humour is wasted on the average internet reader i reckon.
i go back to my shed.
Are you on the weed again
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I would never have considered asking for money, nor would I or Charlie have accepted it for our troubles. I guess that's just a difference in our moral internal code and upbringing.
seriously Ken, totaly different issue.
you once stated that you getting that Oyster was Karma.
watch out that it does not bite you back.
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Are you on the weed again
i quit smoking last Oktober.
you guys are my replacement drug.
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I've no idea what point you are trying to make, but the music is absolutely ***** with a capital S. And, no, this is not a matter of opinion.

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seriously Ken, totaly different issue.
you once stated that you getting that Oyster was Karma.
watch out that it does not bite you back.
The weed has apparently destroyed some of your memory brain cells.

I never stated that, someone else wrote that. But even if I was to write something like that, it would be in the context of the many years of hard work finally paying off, and I would still agree with that.

Besides, the boat we own has absolutely nothing to do with anything in this discussion.
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The weed has apparently destroyed some of your brain cells.

I never stated that, someone else wrote that. But even if I was to write something like that, it would be in the context of the many years of hard work finally paying off, and I would still agree with that.

Besides, the boat we own has absolutely nothing to do with anything in this discussion.
i liked your post more before you edited in the personal attack.
for the record, i haven't smoked weed in 25 years. i quit cigarettes last year after 25 years of smoking.
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I've sympathy for BA... he saw an opportunity to hopefully make a few bob.. so he took it.
His not dishonourable intentions could be seen as a you scratch my back I scratch yours.. and a small payment for a salvage is not an unreasonable hope when living at the bottom end of the economy..
I've done it free diving for winches etc that folks drop over the side in marinas while servicing them.. when I'm flush I've done it for free.. but if I'm short of cash I'll charge for my service..
The guy's in a strange and so far.. hostile to him place..
So he's posted here in 'Virtual Friendly Space' to let off steam in a familiar place.. don't think its a case of whinging like some..

The guys just Venting.. stop making it into something its not..
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i liked your post more before you edited in the personal attack.
for the record, i haven't smoked weed in 25 years. i quit cigarettes last year after 25 years of smoking.
I'm very sorry. I'll remove it if I can.
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