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Old 29-11-2013, 05:01   #46
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Too funny, Mr C Hows!!

Or were you being sarcastic or funny?

As Zeehag says, RODLMFAO!
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Old 29-11-2013, 05:04   #47
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Re: Sailing or Cheating/Motorsailing?

> If the sails are up its a sailboat and has right of way.

Bzzzzzzt!
ColRegs Rule 3: General Definitions:

The term "power driven vessel" means any vessel propelled by machinery.

The term "sailing vessel" means any vessel under sail provided that propelling machinery , if fitted , is not being used.
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Old 29-11-2013, 05:25   #48
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Re: Sailing or Cheating/Motorsailing?

sails up and engine on ...still a powerboat and has no special privileges. can maneuver.

without engine, maneuverability is much less and has special privileges.

do not force/insist on your right of way..it will be a wrong move and put you in the wrong even in situations wherein you have engine off and sails up.
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Old 29-11-2013, 07:03   #49
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I'm sure you guys are right, but coming form a powerboat back ground, I have always had it beat into my head that if there is a sail up, they have the right of way, even if the sail is not being used, Is luffing actually a word? Or is that a Southern saying that really doesn't exist?
I admit that I was taught conservatively, I would hope others too. How can you tell if a sailboat is under motor or sail propulsion from 100 yds away?
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Re: Sailing or Cheating/Motorsailing?

I wonder if he felt he had the right of way...hahah

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Old 29-11-2013, 07:20   #51
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I will agree with your second sentence. Sorry but once you turn the motor on (even if in neutral), you are a motor boat per the rules.
Motor on = motor boat
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I'm sure you guys are right, but coming form a powerboat back ground, I have always had it beat into my head that if there is a sail up, they have the right of way, even if the sail is not being used, Is luffing actually a word? Or is that a Southern saying that really doesn't exist?
I admit that I was taught conservatively, I would hope others too. How can you tell if a sailboat is under motor or sail propulsion from 100 yds away?
how ironic! the only sensible argument is put by a power boater, with a load of claptrap from some self described sailers. thanks mate. i shall treat the real estate boys with a bit more respect from now on.
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Sorry, mate, I see you weren't being funny. I apologise for the laughter.
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Billy on = kettle on the stove to make a cuppa.
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Re: Sailing or Cheating/Motorsailing?

I don't think it's a motor boat vs sail boat discussion here. Most of the time, when there is a heated discussion about using the motor, it's more "why have a sailboat if you just motor everywhere" rather than "motors are bad".

But, having said that, when i went from sailboat owner to trawler owner a few of my hard core sailing friends acted as if I betrayed all that I stood for, whatever that was.
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Re: Sailing or Cheating/Motorsailing?

> how ironic! the only sensible argument is put by a power boater, with a load of claptrap from some self described sailers.

Colregs are quite clear ( as quoted earlier).

BUT - the only ones who know really know whether a sailing vessel is under power are the crew of the sailing vessel, so the only sensible course of action is:

If you are a motor vessel, assume that anything with a sail up is a sailing vessel.
If you are a sailing vessel under power, behave as a motor vessel.

i.e. in all cases, err on the side of caution.
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Re: Sailing or Cheating/Motorsailing?

Ok, so if your boat has a motor, that you presumably use...then is it fair to say that you should not bristle when someone says you are a "motor-sailor"?

I think a guy wrote a book some years ago, Jay someone I think, and he made a fair case that "motor-sailors" shouldn't get all bytchy if they are called just that. But hey do. I am one, and I accept that as I have an outboard motor, I can't really claim title of bonafide 'sailor'. So, I will not get all upset if someone calls me a motor-sailor--but some really do get p*ssed about it.

I do wonder if you sole purpose, as I have read in a few replies, is to get to from A to B, then why not just take the Ferry, or get a bonafide power-boat?
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Re: Sailing or Cheating/Motorsailing?

Isn't anyone going to mention that when motoring with sails raised, the vessel should be displaying an inverted cone in the foretriangle to indicate that status? Or be exhibiting the proper light indicating the same?

When they do so, then I will note that in all my years of sailing, I have never personally seen this requirement being honoured!

I also might mention that a fair number of power driven vessels disregard all thoughts of being burdened when encountering a vessel under sail. Whether this is due to ignorance, truculence or poor vision is up for discussion, but the practice leads me to tread lightly in waters frequented by weekend motor-boaters.

But, motoring one's sailboat is not defined as a sin in most common religions, so have at it when you wish.

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Are you hoisting that inverted triangle thing when you cut the engine on?
Agree I don't see inverted triangle / day signals. Not seeing them doesn't present a navigation hazard to me. I assume your an idiot and change course before you t bone me. Not that your an idiot. I just assume that you are.
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I also might mention that a fair number of power driven vessels disregard all thoughts of being burdened when encountering a vessel under sail. Whether this is due to ignorance, truculence or poor vision is up for discussion, but the practice leads me to tread lightly in waters frequented by weekend motor-boaters.
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Hey, Jim,

What are the jet-skiers like in your part of the world? For me, jetskis and the nutjobs on board them are the most dangerous thing invented, especially in confined waters.
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