Cruisers Forum

Join CruisersForum Today

Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 06-08-2012, 16:14   #16
Registered User
Target9000's Avatar

Join Date: May 2009
Location: New Orleans LA
Boat: 74 Westsail 32
Posts: 1,377
The Real Pirates

Note... This is an excerpt from our blog that I posted a while back that I feel is applicable to this thread. This came after we returned home from a week and a half sail and found our home burglarized.

The Real Pirates

You know, I try really hard to keep a positive spin on our blog and all we do revolving around the boat. I don’t like being too negative. In a long term plan you cannot afford to get bogged down in crappiness along your way. Its important to focus on the small successes instead of the small failures. I wrote about that just a couple of weeks ago, but I’m going to take a moment now and vent about something.

When Dani and I tell non-cruisers about our plans, the conversation inevitably turns to pirates and piracy on the high seas. I had long ago assured myself with research and hard facts that piracy is in fact a rare event in the cruising world. So usually I would just brush off the comments about piracy and tell people we’ll just stay away from pirate infested waters.

The fact of the matter is that living in United States can be just as dangerous or worse than cruising many of the places in the world. As much as I love our country, the stats don’t lie. And they just got a lot more personal.

When I walked up to the door of our condo upon our return from our trip I knew something was wrong when I saw the mail slot ripped out of the door. I tried door and it was unlocked. I burst into the condo to see if someone was inside and attack them but no one was there. Only the leftovers of violation.

This is what real piracy looks like.

It isn’t some ******* Somalian. Its the guy that walked by and noticed we weren’t home for a week and was fiending for his drug du jour. Its living in civilization where thousands die from car accidents, murder, and theft. Its the FAMILIAR crime that is so awful. Its awful because we’re used to it. Its “safe”. God forbid someone sail through the Indian Ocean but its just fine and dandy to live in the good Ol’ US of A where crack fiends break your doors down and kids texting while driving murder others via car wrecks. No one says to the guy that is like, “BUT WHAT ABOUT PIRATES?!” ”But what about drunk drivers?”

I know that is all a bit dramatic. I’m just angry and venting right now. I don’t want to live in a place where our home looks like this.

And yes the board on the right is marine grade ply.

Yes, cruising is dangerous. Yes, dreams are hard to achieve. And yes, sacrifices must be made. However, there are pirates in every place and in every land. You just get so used to them that they don’t seem as scary anymore until you become one of the statistics that fades into the noise that the machine called civilization is humming.

Let your heart tell you where to go, but let your brain tell you how to get there.

Sundowner Sails Again
Target9000 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-08-2012, 16:50   #17
Moderator Emeritus
David M's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: San Francisco Bay
Boat: research vessel
Posts: 9,844
Re: RANT: The "danger" of sailing

Yup, what is life if we never venture out of our safe little cocoon? Wouldn't it be called unfulfilling?


Life begins where land ends.
David M is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-08-2012, 17:05   #18
Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Melbourne Australia
Boat: Paper Tiger 14 foot, Gemini 105MC 34 foot Catamaran Hull no 825
Posts: 1,491
Re: RANT: The "danger" of sailing

Sailing has to be dangerous, Those boats tied up in the Marina's,

All the marina's here are behind fences and locked gates,

Maybe the boats are viciuos and bite people,

If it wasnt dangerous, they wouldnt keep them locked up,

And they all have a sunken boat story to tell,

But if you ask them about a car crash they have seen, Well thats different,

Its because of this or that, But the car didnt sink, Hahahahahaha
Mr B is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-08-2012, 17:11   #19
Registered User
goldiphlox's Avatar

Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Ft Myers Fl
Boat: 1984 Sovereign 24
Posts: 169
Images: 1
Re: RANT: The "danger" of sailing

Well...i was laughing my butt off reading this thread until it got serious with targets message....which reminded me of something.....when my son went off to Afghanistan...of course everyone said all the negatives about how dangerous it was....well ....we chose to stay positive and then we read some interesting facts....
I read an article today entitled..... An Interesting Suggestion: If you consider that there has been an average of 160,000 troops in the Iraq theater of operations during the past 22 months, and a total of 2112 deaths, that gives a firearm death rate of 60 per 100,000 soldiers. The firearm death rate in Washington DC is 80.6 per 100,000 for the same period. That means you are about 25% more likely to be shot and killed in the US capital which has some of the strictest gun control laws in the U.S., than you are in Iraq... Conclusion: The US should pull out of Washington!

I guess people think they are safer with familiarity.....
goldiphlox is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-08-2012, 17:14   #20
Registered User
cat man do's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Brisbane Australia [until the boats launched]
Boat: 50ft powercat, light,long and low powered
Posts: 4,409
Images: 36
Re: RANT: The "danger" of sailing

Originally Posted by Amapola View Post
They have visions of piracy, the Titanic, the Perfect Storm and piracy which stem from the fear of the unknown.
So frightening you had to mention it twice

Personaly I'm more afeard of yachties with guns or yachties that DONT have a Rocna or Manson supreme
"Money can't buy you happiness but it can buy you a yacht large enough to pull up right alongside it"...............David Lee Roth
Long Distance Motorboat Cruising – It Is Possible on a Small Budget
cat man do is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-08-2012, 17:29   #21
Registered User

Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 942
Re: RANT: The "danger" of sailing

The bane of my existence as an adrenaline junkie.....
IslandHopper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-08-2012, 17:59   #22
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Montegut LA.
Boat: Now we need to get her to Louisiana !! she's ours
Posts: 3,421
Re: RANT: The "danger" of sailing

Down here no one talks about boats sinking !! they talk about the drunks who drive into the Bayou and drown !! some at 80 mph sure can be different depending where ya live !! But then every body boats down here one way or another!!
Bob and Connie
bobconnie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-08-2012, 23:34   #23
Registered User
Celestialsailor's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: In Mexico, working on the boat
Boat: Hallberg Rassy 35 14ft.Whitehall pulling skiff.
Posts: 7,528
Images: 5
Re: RANT: The "danger" of sailing

No...I usually don't hear the thing about the dangers of sailing. What I get are the usual mindless redundant sayings like..." Duh...a boat is a whole in da watta you thowd money into". At which point I tell them..."No...your old lady is that"!
"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming: Wow - what a ride!"
Celestialsailor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2012, 00:28   #24
Registered User
SurferShane's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2009
Boat: L. Francis Herreshoff Ketch
Posts: 1,129
Images: 45
Thumbs up Re: RANT: The "danger" of sailing

Originally Posted by micah719 View Post
Kraken are easy if you use a fish knife:

They seem to work well on landlubbers, too.....
Nice, I an keen to get a set of bone handled cutlery for my classic little cruiser. I might as well live in comfort with a bit of opulence while I actively avoid landlubbers for many of the reasons mentioned above!
Life is a shipwreck but we must not forget to sing in the lifeboats. - Voltaire
SurferShane is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2012, 01:50   #25
Dockhead's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: [S]Hamble (Spring and Fall)[/S], Cowes (Winter), Baltic (Summer) (the boat!); somewhere in the air (me!)
Boat: Cutter-Rigged Moody 54
Posts: 16,456
Re: RANT: The "danger" of sailing

Originally Posted by Cyrus Safdari View Post
Has anyone else received an earful about the dangers of sailing, from landlubbers who regularly drive at 80 mph just a few feet from other cars going the same speed on freeways, at least twice a day everyday of their entire working lives? I mean come on, what's really more dangerous and who is really taking risks!!
Umm, why do you even care what ignorant people think?

By the way, sailing in the ocean actually can be pretty dangerous if you don't know what you're doing or if you're not sufficiently careful. But that's true of lots of things in life including, certainly, driving a car.
Dockhead is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2012, 02:34   #26
Registered User

Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Switzerland
Boat: So many boats to choose from. Would prefer something that is not an AWB, and that is beachable...
Posts: 1,098
Re: RANT: The "danger" of sailing

Originally Posted by SkiprJohn View Post
Yes, getting out of a bed/berth in the morning is dangerous. Just think of what could happen with a very hot cup of coffee if you weren't careful. Danger is everywhere.
Even staying in bed is dangerous...

But then again, I always think of the following saying: "accidents are a feature of a life well lived".

Things do go wrong. Keeps your head on, exercise common sense and enjoy your life.
K_V_B is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2012, 04:12   #27
carstenb's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: May 2012
Location: Copenhagen
Boat: Jeanneau Sun Fast 40.3
Posts: 4,576
Images: 1
Re: RANT: The "danger" of sailing

Well just to get a perspective........

Does anyone have, or know where, to get some statistics on how many ocean-going cruiser there are and how many of them suffer some type of serious accident?
I spent most of my money on Booze, Broads and Boats. The rest I wasted - Elmore Leonard
carstenb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2012, 04:19   #28
breaker of your dreams
sailorboy1's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Northeast
Boat: Hunter 410
Posts: 11,119
Re: RANT: The "danger" of sailing

Originally Posted by sarafina View Post
I have VERY selective hearing... Turns all that blather into "Blah Blah Bla, Bal Bla Bal Blah Blah Blab"

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah

I needed more practice.
stop blowing smoke up my rear, blow it at the sails instead
sailorboy1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2012, 06:50   #29
Registered User
Jimbo485's Avatar

Join Date: May 2010
Location: some ocean down under
Boat: Kelsall Suncat 40
Posts: 1,247
Re: RANT: The "danger" of sailing

Ha Ha! Yeah, a lot of landlubbers are like that and I would say quite a few of the sanctimonious CF arm chair members are similar. Far too much talk about post-event safety (ie. calling the nanny authorities for help rather than prevention) and not enough talk about the planning during prevention and the adrenalin, fun and excitement during self-rescue.

I saved a bloke´s life a few weeks ago in the Marquesas and, to tell you the truth, it was a buzz! I am sure the SAR people go thru the same sensation. The major lesson for me was that the pistol grip on the chin, which I had been taught so many times over the years, was useless. In a pool it works fine to drag a drowning victim across to the edge, but in the real world, with a little 30 cm chop across the water, it did not maintain his head high enough. The chest grip (ie. my right arm under his right armpit and grabbing his left tit) was better for the victim because his head was higher and the chop did not enter his mouth. However it did require more effort from me for us both to stay afloat.

But let´s look at the stats according to Beth and Evans at this link:
Cruising Life.

So....offshore sailing is slightly more dangerous than golf but safer than riding a bike. I would be interested to see where coastal sailing fits in. My intuition, not stats, tells me that it would be more dangerous than offshore cruising but maybe someone has hard figures?

We sail without an EPIRB, no liferaft, no MOB pole and the life jackets are buried in a locker far away. Each decision has its own basis and I won´t bore you with the details - it is a personal decision anyway. The SSB has been out of action for 6 months and we couldn´t care less because we never used it anyway. All the methods of calling for help AFTER the **** has hit the fan annoy me. If we have problems, we will solve them and if we can´t, we will just die without bothering anyone else. I was probably brain washed by my old man when cruising as a kid in the 80s. Bastard! Ha Ha! Thanks, Dad!

When I have occasionally played golf, I don´t use a helmet (oooohh, what a risk-taker!), but obviously that is the logical piece of safety equipment to prevent death and injury on the golf course. The risk while sailing is about the same according to the stats presented by Beth and Evans.

Dirt dwellers risk their lives on the highways everyday. Those from the USA risk a death from a gunshot so much more than the rest of the world. For prevention (far more important than the EPIRB/911 scream for help), they should be wearing not only a seatbelt, but also a bullet proof vest. But do they? Oooohh, what risk-takers are those who don´t! And yet there are many from all over the world who use a harness when on deck in FINE weather? And concentrate their planning on post-accident wails for help from others? What logic am I missing? Is it all about emotions and human perception and not about logic and facts?

Another ironic personal fact is that the only time I ever came under fire during 40 000 miles and over 60 countries was from a crazy, drunken Vietnam vet cruiser. WOW! Where was my Somalian mate at the time to assist me?

I have rambled a lot but I guess the point is: before some CF members decry the ignorance of the dirt dwellers too much, they should look more closely at their own paranoia and their own focus on safety. Dirt dwellers are quite understandably ignorant of the sea, but are you aware of the stats and the difference between pre- and post-accident safety devices?

The difference between the devices and tools which are for:
a) prevention,
b) self-rescue, and
c) calling in the the baby sitters?

I will put up another video shortly which shows our own fun and games during a recent leg from the Galapagos to the Marquesas.... just for entertainment.
Jimbo485 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2012, 09:28   #30
Registered User
micah719's Avatar

Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Somewhere in Germany
Boat: Modifying Steel Junk-rig Schooner - Tom Thumb 26
Posts: 1,404
Re: RANT: The "danger" of sailing

Oi! According to the hairs on my wrist, it's been three and a half shortly's since you promised an entertaining vid from the Galapagalos to Marquesas; what's the delay?

Hope you haven't been clipped on the nut by a helmet-wearing american golfer on a large capacity assault bike.....ya never know......

Ps 139:9-10 If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea; Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me.
micah719 is offline   Reply With Quote

sailing, danger

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

Our Communities

Our communities encompass many different hobbies and interests, but each one is built on friendly, intelligent membership.

» More about our Communities

Automotive Communities

Our Automotive communities encompass many different makes and models. From U.S. domestics to European Saloons.

» More about our Automotive Communities

Marine Communities

Our Marine websites focus on Cruising and Sailing Vessels, including forums and the largest cruising Wiki project on the web today.

» More about our Marine Communities

Copyright 2002-2015 Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 04:55.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.