Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 15-11-2011, 16:39   #1
Ram
Registered User
 
Ram's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: May 2005
Location: Cruising Greece
Boat: Cat in the med & Trawler in Florida
Posts: 2,298
Images: 27
My Worst Mistake to Date !

Some of our stupid mistakes we dont want to tell the whole world, but enough time has went by that I feel ok about fussing up to how I almost lost my boat on the rocks- on June 1 2009- I dropped my main anchor with all chain rode over the edge inside the crater of Santroni- just under OIA- then I dropped a second one to be sure ( the second anchor had 40 feet of chain and the rest was - 3 strand rode)& tied the stern with 5/8s line to the rocky shore, 50 feet away- This area is usually well protected from the meltimi that blows from the North but will still get 25 knots of wind with no seas bouncing off the inside walls- I had spent 2 months the summer before in the same place- so I knew the place well- On June 1 an unforecast storm out of the south blew up and with winds increasing eventfully to a sustained 50 knots- with gusts 60 -65 knots the hole in the Southern end of the Calder was wide open but the seas and most of the big waves were hitting in a way where I was not directly impacted unless the wind changed direction- and the wind was slowly clocking around-and I was getting 6 ft sharp choppy seas with about 15-20 feet seas outside I would guess-my stern was only about 50 feet from the rocky shore and I was not sure what to do I waited too long to get out of there being so close to the rocks-now I was in trouble- I had a few hundred feet of chain out on my Manson Supreme with 5/8 3 strand snubber taking the shock off the anchor rode- 1 of my engines was not working because I was waiting on a water pump">raw water pump belt that was nowhere to be found in the EU at that time so I had 1 engine in forward running - me at the helm all night steering trying to keep the boat facings into the wind-as the wind got up to 60 knots- - My 5/8 shackle deformed and was destroyed and failed and in those few moments it took me to get another line on the chain the force of it all cracked the Fb around the cleat and would have ripped it off in no time- had I not run a snubber through the chain and secured it-I went through 3 snubbers in 24 hours because they kept chafing through- daylight came and the wind was still blowing with no sign of letting up I had one guy onboard with me so this helped-I was very worried that this chain was going to fail as the seas were increasing as the wind kept clocking around to give me more of a direct hit through the South opening- My dinghy broke its painter in the night and was long gone- and I had to make a decision , drop the anchors and rode and try and make a run off the rocks using both engines or sit there and pray the chain/shakel did not break -with the wind slowly creeping toward a more direct hit I decided to make a run for it- (to this day Im not sure what I would do if I had to do it all again,) I could use the second engine for a little while long enough to get out of there I thought- So this was the plan- anyway we dropped the first anchor rode off and let it clear the boat then I freed the chain and let it run free and ran back to the helm both engines were running and as luck would have it we pulled forward about 20 feet and one prop got caught in a mooring line and we lost power and steerage as the wind now caught us on the side and within seconds we would be in the rocks , we were within 10 feet of the rocks now and I managed to pull the Jib out and it caught the wind with a bang that sounded like a shot gun - we shot out of there like a cannon ball, all the time keeping the wind close to the sail as not to blow it out- I made it I was very very did I say VERY lucky- that mistake cost me a few thousand in chain and anchor and dingy but that was a price I happily paid- the locals said they never seen a storm come up from that direction with that severity in 50 years- I went back to recover the anchor & chain, using scuba I went down as deep as 150 feet and could see to 200 or so but it was nowhere to be found-For a moment there I really thought I lost the boat and would have, but luck was with me- The reason I waited too long to move was its normal to get 25-30 knots in that area and at that time it was not coming in from the south-I spent many of sound sleeps with that set up so I was thinking ok soon the wind will die down but in a few hours it was so strong I could not move without putting everything at risk- and I could not stay either- Everyday im out there is a blessing!
__________________
__________________

__________________
Ram is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15-11-2011, 16:43   #2
CF Adviser
 
Bash's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: sausalito
Boat: 14 meter sloop
Posts: 7,260
Re: My Worst mistake to date!

yikes!

glad you made it.
__________________

__________________
cruising is entirely about showing up--in boat shoes.
Bash is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15-11-2011, 16:48   #3
Registered User
 
gixerjen's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Torquay UK
Boat: Snapdragon 890
Posts: 83
Images: 2
Re: My Worst mistake to date!

Dramatic story, well told - I heard the crack of the jib!

Glad you got out ok.
gixerjen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15-11-2011, 17:18   #4
CF Adviser
 
Intentional Drifter's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Pac NW
Boat: Boatless, for now, Cat enthusiast
Posts: 1,283
Re: My Worst Mistake to Date !

Holy Sheeeeet!!! (And, I'm sure you're glad it held!) That was close! Gives me the shudders just reading it.

ID
__________________
Intentional Drifter

Observations are gold; hypotheses, silver; and conclusions, bronze.

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.--Ben Franklin

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts.--Daniel Patrick Moynihan
Intentional Drifter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15-11-2011, 17:52   #5
Registered User
 
sabray's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Wash DC
Boat: PETERSON 44
Posts: 3,169
Nicely written. Reminded me a tad if the Roth's anchoring in Peru. Hal was big on sailing off the anchor and practicing that.
Thamks
__________________
sabray is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15-11-2011, 18:05   #6
cat herder, extreme blacksheep
 
zeehag's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: furycame alley , tropics, mexico for now
Boat: 1976 FORMOSA yankee clipper 41
Posts: 17,762
Images: 56
Send a message via Yahoo to zeehag Send a message via Skype™ to zeehag
Re: My Worst Mistake to Date !

wow
zeehag is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15-11-2011, 18:18   #7
Freelance Delivery Skipper..
 
boatman61's Avatar

Community Sponsor
Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: UK/Portugal
Posts: 20,189
Images: 2
Send a message via Skype™ to boatman61
pirate Re: My Worst Mistake to Date !

Nice one Ram....
Next time use a CQR.... it woulda dragged a lot earlier and you'da decided to get the hell out in time...
__________________


Born To Be Wild
boatman61 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15-11-2011, 18:33   #8
Registered User
 
S/V Alchemy's Avatar

Join Date: May 2008
Location: Toronto
Boat: Custom 41' Steel Pilothouse Cutter
Posts: 4,574
Re: My Worst Mistake to Date !

Boatman...I know that was said in jest but I wonder if there's a "case of opposites" going on with the new generation of anchors. If the CQR drags...it's time to head to sea, and therefore the CQR's a good way to get a positive warning, after a fashion. The Supreme/Rocna/Sarca types hold and hold and hold...until the rode parts or the snubber fails or the bollard bends and you can no longer sail or motor off.

It could be we've entered an era where the anchor works perfectly and the boat is lost!
__________________
S/V Alchemy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15-11-2011, 18:43   #9
Senior Cruiser
 
Cheechako's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Skagit City, WA
Posts: 19,342
Re: My Worst Mistake to Date !

A very well written, real world experience. Good information for all those that want to be world cruisers. You WILL have a similar experience... only a matter of time and severity!
__________________
"I spent most of my money on Booze, Broads and Boats. The rest I wasted" - Elmore Leonard











Cheechako is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15-11-2011, 18:47   #10
Registered User

Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Mackay,QLD, Australia
Boat: planning a approx 45ft cat
Posts: 3,651
Images: 3
Re: My Worst Mistake to Date !

Quote:
Originally Posted by S/V Alchemy View Post
Boatman...I know that was said in jest but I wonder if there's a "case of opposites" going on with the new generation of anchors. If the CQR drags...it's time to head to sea, and therefore the CQR's a good way to get a positive warning, after a fashion. The Supreme/Rocna/Sarca types hold and hold and hold...until the rode parts or the snubber fails or the bollard bends and you can no longer sail or motor off.

It could be we've entered an era where the anchor works perfectly and the boat is lost!
"It could be we've entered an era where the anchor works perfectly and the boat is lost!"

Don't think you need worry about that. Realise you are saying it tongue-in-cheek.

Good useful story, RAM.

thanks
__________________
downunder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-11-2011, 08:14   #11
Registered User

Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Bradenton, Fl
Boat: 1974 Cal 29
Posts: 140
Re: My Worst Mistake to Date !

Glad to hear you made it out!

What kind of chain were you using? I've got a 55lb/25kg Rocna and the anchor itself has a SWL of ~5,000lbs. I have 3/8BBB chain that came with the boat and it is nowhere near as strong as the anchor. I bought a Kong swivel that is pretty close to equal strength as the anchor. My next chain will be 3/8HT which is rated ~5,000lb SWL as well.

I've got a massive snubber of 3/4" 3-strand nylon with fire-hose chafe-guard that runs from the eyes in the ropes to the V where they meet, and giant cleats at the bow with equally large backing plates below the deck....



The rope with the chafe guard won't fit in the big chocks I've got, and the fire-hose is actually wearing the gel-coat off the fiberglass Eventually I'll add a smooth, polished SS rail guard to this edge.
__________________
Seafarer24 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-11-2011, 05:04   #12
Ram
Registered User
 
Ram's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: May 2005
Location: Cruising Greece
Boat: Cat in the med & Trawler in Florida
Posts: 2,298
Images: 27
Re: My Worst Mistake to Date !

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ram View Post
Some of our stupid mistakes we don’t want to tell the whole world, but enough time has went by that I feel ok about fussing up to how I almost lost my boat on the rocks- on June 1 2009- I dropped my main anchor with all chain rode over the edge inside the crater of Santroni- just under OIA- then I dropped a second one to be sure ( the second anchor had 40 feet of chain and the rest was - 3 strand rode)& tied the stern with 5/8s line to the rocky shore, 50 feet away- This area is usually well protected from the meltimi that blows from the North but will still get 25 knots of wind with no seas bouncing off the inside walls- I had spent 2 months the summer before in the same place- so I knew the place well- On June 1 an unforecast storm out of the south blew up and with winds increasing eventfully to a sustained 50 knots- with gusts 60 -65 knots – the hole in the Southern end of the Calder was wide open but the seas and most of the big waves were hitting in a way where I was not directly impacted unless the wind changed direction- and the wind was slowly clocking around-and I was getting 6 ft sharp choppy seas with about 15-20 feet seas outside I would guess-–my stern was only about 50 feet from the rocky shore and I was not sure what to do –I waited too long to get out of there being so close to the rocks-now I was in trouble- I had a few hundred feet of chain out on my Manson Supreme with 5/8 3 strand snubber taking the shock off the anchor rode- 1 of my engines was not working because I was waiting on a raw water pump belt that was nowhere to be found in the EU at that time so I had 1 engine in forward running - me at the helm all night steering trying to keep the boat facings into the wind-as the wind got up to 60 knots- - My 5/8 shackle deformed and was destroyed and failed and in those few moments it took me to get another line on the chain the force of it all cracked the Fb around the cleat and would have ripped it off in no time- had I not run a snubber through the chain and secured it-I went through 3 snubbers in 24 hours because they kept chafing through- daylight came and the wind was still blowing with no sign of letting up – I had one guy onboard with me so this helped-I was very worried that this chain was going to fail as the seas were increasing as the wind kept clocking around to give me more of a direct hit through the South opening- My dinghy broke its painter in the night and was long gone- and I had to make a decision , drop the anchors and rode and try and make a run off the rocks using both engines or sit there and pray the chain/shakel did not break -with the wind slowly creeping toward a more direct hit I decided to make a run for it- (to this day I’m not sure what I would do if I had to do it all again,) I could use the second engine for a little while long enough to get out of there I thought- So this was the plan- anyway we dropped the first anchor rode off and let it clear the boat then I freed the chain and let it run free and ran back to the helm both engines were running and as luck would have it we pulled forward about 20 feet and one prop got caught in a mooring line and we lost power and steerage as the wind now caught us on the side and within seconds we would be in the rocks , we were within 10 feet of the rocks now and I managed to pull the Jib out and it caught the wind with a bang that sounded like a shot gun - we shot out of there like a cannon ball, all the time keeping the wind close to the sail as not to blow it out- I made it – I was very very did I say VERY lucky- that mistake cost me a few thousand in chain and anchor and dingy but that was a price I happily paid- the locals said they never seen a storm come up from that direction with that severity in 50 years- I went back to recover the anchor & chain, using scuba I went down as deep as 150 feet and could see to 200 or so but it was nowhere to be found-For a moment there I really thought I lost the boat and would have, but luck was with me- The reason I waited too long to move was its normal to get 25-30 knots in that area and at that time it was not coming in from the south-I spent many of sound sleeps with that set up – so I was thinking ok soon the wind will die down but in a few hours it was so strong I could not move without putting everything at risk- and I could not stay either- Everyday im out there is a blessing!
__________________
One of The first things I did after replacing the Anchor & chain was put in a much bigger and better cleat attached with a large backing Plate, and I was lucky enough to find some fire hose to protect my snubbers from chaffing- I now have 3 snubbers ready to go at any time– 1 is only in 3 strand that stretches the most, I use in very protected ports- the other 2 are 5/8- 3 strand- along with a 25 ft 5/8 bridle --My Chain was 5/16 HT I think it has a 4000lb SWL rating and the shackle was about the same- the anchor was a Manson Supreme 45 I replaced it with a 60lb one-The Anchors where not in sand but hooked on the edge of a rock wall, (I dove it after setting the anchors to make sure they were in a good place) After losing that snubber shackle -I was worried about the chain breaking or the shackle that attached the anchor to the chain failing from all that shock and wear on the rocks- the chain had seen better days- and the second anchor had a mostly nylon rode I figured in those conditions would last about 5 min-this is what prompted me to move when I did--2 weeks later I found my dink , a fisherman had it , but not before I bought a new one- I have never anchored in that place again after that and have become even more careful as a result of this experience
__________________
Ram is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-11-2011, 05:22   #13
Registered User
 
TassieBloke's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Switzerland...soon Melbourne AUS
Boat: Transpac 49
Posts: 117
Images: 3
Re: My Worst Mistake to Date !

RAM: Thanks for sharing that experience, I think we all have learnt something from that

Quote:
Originally Posted by S/V Alchemy View Post
Boatman...I know that was said in jest but I wonder if there's a "case of opposites" going on with the new generation of anchors. If the CQR drags...it's time to head to sea, and therefore the CQR's a good way to get a positive warning, after a fashion. The Supreme/Rocna/Sarca types hold and hold and hold...until the rode parts or the snubber fails or the bollard bends and you can no longer sail or motor off.

It could be we've entered an era where the anchor works perfectly and the boat is lost!
In my inexperienced opinion, I think that there is a lot of merit in this comment.

The discussion going on in OMG Lee Shore thread raises this exact point. When it gets that big that the snubbers etc are starting to fail, even using your diesel/ sail combo, it is going to be a long hard slog to get the sea room.
__________________
Just remember, Engineers built the Titanic, and Noah built the Ark
TassieBloke is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-11-2011, 05:42   #14
Freelance Delivery Skipper..
 
boatman61's Avatar

Community Sponsor
Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: UK/Portugal
Posts: 20,189
Images: 2
Send a message via Skype™ to boatman61
pirate Re: My Worst Mistake to Date !

Quote:
Originally Posted by S/V Alchemy View Post
Boatman...I know that was said in jest but I wonder if there's a "case of opposites" going on with the new generation of anchors. If the CQR drags...it's time to head to sea, and therefore the CQR's a good way to get a positive warning, after a fashion. The Supreme/Rocna/Sarca types hold and hold and hold...until the rode parts or the snubber fails or the bollard bends and you can no longer sail or motor off.

It could be we've entered an era where the anchor works perfectly and the boat is lost!
CQR drags... set the Bruce...
Bruce drags... GTFOutaDodge....
__________________


Born To Be Wild
boatman61 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-11-2011, 06:08   #15
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: UK
Posts: 11
Re: My Worst Mistake to Date !

Not to be picky, but could we try paragraphs - it does make it somewhat easier to read. Interesting read however...
__________________

__________________
FPVman is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
What's Your Worst Sailing Experience ? Still Hopefull The Sailor's Confessional 150 29-07-2013 19:08
What's the Worst Piece of Advice You've Ever Received ? Kiteboarder The Sailor's Confessional 151 05-06-2012 23:07
CM93 Charts Up to Date ? tonydix Navigation 7 29-11-2011 12:53
Life Raft for $450 Two Years Past Inspection Date Phisher Auxiliary Equipment & Dinghy 8 02-11-2011 18:54
Licensed Captains - Worst Yacht Delivery You Ever Had SuenosAzules Our Community 12 10-10-2011 13:16



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 20:36.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.