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Old 31-05-2014, 13:00   #31
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Re: I Think I Saw MH370

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HWMBO

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I am HE WHO MUST BE OBEYED! Not sure where saucy got HWMO from? Maybe something sexist?
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08/03/2014 02:00 00:05:00 5 kt 347° true N6 37.075 E94 26.577
08/03/2014 02:05 00:05:00 3 kt 343° true N6 37.454 E94 26.488
08/03/2014 02:10 00:05:00 2 kt 258° true N6 37.720 E94 26.408
08/03/2014 02:15 00:05:00 1.4 kt 117° true N6 37.690 E94 26.264
08/03/2014 02:20 00:05:00 1.4 kt 88° true N6 37.638 E94 26.366
08/03/2014 02:25 00:05:00 2 kt 78° true N6 37.643 E94 26.483
08/03/2014 02:30 00:05:00 3 kt 72° true N6 37.678 E94 26.657
08/03/2014 02:35 00:05:00 3 kt 71° true N6 37.759 E94 26.906
08/03/2014 02:40 00:05:00 3 kt 72° true N6 37.840 E94 27.147
08/03/2014 02:45 00:05:00 3 kt 70° true N6 37.920 E94 27.391
08/03/2014 02:50 00:05:00 3 kt 69° true N6 38.007 E94 27.629
08/03/2014 02:55 00:05:00 3 kt 69° true N6 38.103 E94 27.887
08/03/2014 03:00 00:05:00 3 kt 68° true N6 38.206 E94 28.152
08/03/2014 03:05 00:05:00 3 kt 70° true N6 38.302 E94 28.398
08/03/2014 03:10 00:05:00 3 kt 71° true N6 38.401 E94 28.668
08/03/2014 03:15 00:05:00 3 kt 69° true N6 38.495 E94 28.937
08/03/2014 03:20 00:05:00 3 kt 69° true N6 38.594 E94 29.198
08/03/2014 03:25 00:05:00 3 kt 70° true N6 38.698 E94 29.465
08/03/2014 03:30 00:05:00 3 kt 69° true N6 38.796 E94 29.732
08/03/2014 03:35 00:05:00 3 kt 70° true N6 38.889 E94 29.980
08/03/2014 03:40 00:05:00 3 kt 72° true N6 38.986 E94 30.250
08/03/2014 03:45 00:05:00 3 kt 74° true N6 39.071 E94 30.517
08/03/2014 03:50 00:05:00 4 kt 75° true N6 39.151 E94 30.789
08/03/2014 03:55 00:05:00 3 kt 77° true N6 39.225 E94 31.075
08/03/2014 04:00 00:04:31 3 kt 77° true N6 39.286 E94 31.343
08/03/2014 04:05 00:05:01 4 kt 75° true N6 39.341 E94 31.584
08/03/2014 04:10 00:05:00 3 kt 77° true N6 39.422 E94 31.883
08/03/2014 04:15 00:05:00 3 kt 76° true N6 39.489 E94 32.165
08/03/2014 04:20 00:05:00 3 kt 77° true N6 39.554 E94 32.432
08/03/2014 04:25 00:05:00 3 kt 78° true N6 39.616 E94 32.698
08/03/2014 04:30 00:05:00 3 kt 73° true N6 39.675 E94 32.967
08/03/2014 04:35 00:05:00 3 kt 73° true N6 39.748 E94 33.209
08/03/2014 04:40 00:05:00 3 kt 73° true N6 39.826 E94 33.470
08/03/2014 04:45 00:05:00 3 kt 72° true N6 39.911 E94 33.745
08/03/2014 04:50 00:05:00 3 kt 76° true N6 39.994 E94 34.013
08/03/2014 04:55 00:05:00 3 kt 79° true N6 40.059 E94 34.280
08/03/2014 05:00 00:05:00 3 kt 77° true N6 40.110 E94 34.547
08/03/2014 05:05 00:05:00 3 kt 77° true N6 40.169 E94 34.807
08/03/2014 05:10 00:05:00 3 kt 76° true N6 40.234 E94 35.084
08/03/2014 05:15 00:05:00 3 kt 75° true N6 40.303 E94 35.360
08/03/2014 05:20 00:05:00 3 kt 77° true N6 40.378 E94 35.637
08/03/2014 05:25 00:05:00 4 kt 76° true N6 40.443 E94 35.918
08/03/2014 05:30 00:05:00 4 kt 78° true N6 40.513 E94 36.203
08/03/2014 05:35 00:05:00 3 kt 85° true N6 40.583 E94 36.542
08/03/2014 05:40 00:05:00 3 kt 78° true N6 40.605 E94 36.777
08/03/2014 05:45 00:05:00 2 kt 84° true N6 40.650 E94 37.001
08/03/2014 05:50 00:05:00 2 kt 76° true N6 40.667 E94 37.174
08/03/2014 05:55 00:05:00 3 kt 88° true N6 40.717 E94 37.374
08/03/2014 06:00 00:05:00 3 kt 92° true N6 40.725 E94 37.584
08/03/2014 06:05 00:05:00 3 kt 91° true N6 40.714 E94 37.866
08/03/2014 06:10 00:05:00 4 kt 92° true N6 40.709 E94 38.146
08/03/2014 06:15 00:05:00 3 kt 98° true N6 40.700 E94 38.462
08/03/2014 06:20 00:05:00 2 kt 107° true N6 40.664 E94 38.713
08/03/2014 06:25 00:05:00 2 kt 108° true N6 40.606 E94 38.906
08/03/2014 06:30 00:05:00 3 kt 105° true N6 40.548 E94 39.089
08/03/2014 06:35 00:05:00 3 kt 111° true N6 40.477 E94 39.358
08/03/2014 06:40 00:05:00 3 kt 105° true N6 40.380 E94 39.613
08/03/2014 06:45 00:05:00 4 kt 103° true N6 40.304 E94 39.893
08/03/2014 06:50 00:05:00 4 kt 107° true N6 40.233 E94 40.204
08/03/2014 06:55 00:05:00 3 kt 112° true N6 40.140 E94 40.503
08/03/2014 07:00 00:05:00 3 kt 112° true N6 40.040 E94 40.758
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Old 31-05-2014, 13:01   #32
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Re: I Think I Saw MH370

Rumpole of the Bailey said... She Who Must Be Obeyed.
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Doesn't seem to have the attachments...?
So we see. Not sure why, never tried this before! He's busy copying and pasting into an open post now.

We have decided to share this as it is simply our sailing log, where we were at that time. The same as we smsed through to the folks. The only reason we didn't allow it to be published on our blog as we sailed was due to the risk of piracy. And just to add to the illusion of my delusion, I believe we were also approached by pirates off the coast of India, but that's another story. And not one I'm sure would last very long here! Besides, I didn't take photos of them, either.

So here it comes....
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Brilliant, that'll do just fine.

And your guess of elevation above horizon...?
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About 30 to 45 degrees. Nearer 30, I think.
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Old 31-05-2014, 13:45   #36
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Re: I Think I Saw MH370

If you can get some quiet time, perhaps you can close your eyes and revisit that night, what constellations you were looking, what direction the plane passed your field of vision. Don't try to force it, just let it flow through that watch.
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I'm having trouble getting the raw data for the MH370 track, but I have made some progress. Essentially, the rough Google Earth screenshots released by authorities up to now put the track to the east of you, but there is no guarantee that this is the actual path, given that it is just a straight line between the last radar position and the first 'handshake' estimate as far as I can tell.

I have worked out from what you have said that the track of what you saw would be around 9km to the west of you, assuming the altitude is around 17000'.

I'll try and see if I can find the raw lat/long data of the flightpath when I have the time (not right now). I won't post any pictures until then.

Please, keep us posted if you have any response from authorities. I'll be interested to see just how they deal with the report!

The 'official' track posted below.

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I think Malaysia is on GMT + 8 whereas Thailand is on GMT + 7. If the latter is what was being used aboard then one could work out a time. This may not be what the log shot shows.
Memories are easily influenced and that should be avoided.
On the other hand a plane on fire is rare (more so one otherwise unreported) and I would think an experienced night watch keeper at sea would likely distinguish one from a meteor.
It could be important because one could query if a plane on fire could continue flying for another 7-8 hours.
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Memories are easily influenced and that should be avoided.
On the other hand a plane on fire is rare (more so one otherwise unreported) and I would think an experienced night watch keeper at sea would likely distinguish one from a meteor.

I thought I saw a plane on fire. I just didn't believe what I was seeing, so the meteorite theory was a rationalisation. Whilst I've seen meteors up high in space, I have never seen one which has broken the stratosphere. I should google that and see one one looks like. I felt it wasn't travelling fast enough to be a meteorite, but I don't know how fast one of those travels. I am also sure that if a meteorite had hit the Indian Ocean that night we'd have heard about it.
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OK, here is my first wild guess of the track based on known positions of airway intersections. I don't have time to do anything better at the moment. Don't read too much in to it yet.
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This is pretty interesting stuff.

The next question in the puzzle...

How long can a burning plane fly or glide?
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This is pretty interesting stuff.

The next question in the puzzle...

How long can a burning plane fly or glide?
My question and speculation is what would a pilot do if onboard fire suppression didn't do the job and a suitable runway was too far away? Just maybe explains why he climbed to an altitude far above the plane's service ceiling in hopes of starving the fire of oxygen???

A big gamble because in such thin air the wing could stall.
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Detail of the boat track and CPA. Shows the flightpath passing astern from port to starboard. (boat track-up not north-up) Swap the lower two boat track labels round, for some reason they are flipped at larger scales.
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Good on ya. I hope it helps all those guys reach closure.

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Re: I Think I Saw MH370

Dealing with the important stuff first...

She Who Must be Obeyed was first used in H. Rider Haggard's book "She" in 1886 (a great read by the way, as is King Solomon's Mines from the same author), later quoted by Rumpole in the Rumpole of the Bailey TV Series as Mark noted, and by Arthur in the Minder TV series as noted by Boatman.

How far can a modern jet glide or keep flying once it is on fire? Not sure, but nowhere near where they are currently searching, I am pretty sure of that. And being one of the Australian tax payers who just lost millions from our education budget I can't say I am totally thrilled by the thought that the current search is possibly in the wrong place. I am already struggling with the fact that they are spending so much on the search at all. I feel for those that lost family and understand their desire for closure, but my goodness it is a lot of money being spent out there for no obvious tangible gain.

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