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Old 06-03-2015, 21:10   #91
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I like the rescue boat idea. Lots of neglected boats out there.
The key is convincing the suckers investors to keep clicking the donate button. We need a prose writer - OK, Julie. You're in! All ya gotta do is convince folks we are making progress while we all sip Mai Tais in Martinique...
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Finally, proper recognition .. Gee I've been a MOD for almost 6 months. But no kneeling or bowing.... well not too much

I like the rescue boat idea. Lots of neglected boats out there.
With your new-found, and well-deserved, clout, could you be so kind as to do me a big favor and drop these fine folks a quick e-mail to inform them that I'm a serious buyer at $200K. I'll even have my wife legally change her name to "Bluebell" if it will help.

1995 Hinckley Sou'wester 42 MK II Sloop Sail Boat For Sale -

That little honey "needs" a rescue!
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Old 06-03-2015, 22:13   #93
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With your new-found, and well-deserved, clout, could you be so kind as to do me a big favor and drop these fine folks a quick e-mail to inform them that I'm a serious buyer at $200K. I'll even have my wife legally change her name to "Bluebell" if it will help.

1995 Hinckley Sou'wester 42 MK II Sloop Sail Boat For Sale -

That little honey "needs" a rescue!
Nice boat, a bit spendy for a 20 year old boat, even at $200k. Might need to let that one sit for a few more years, so it looses a zero or two... Interesting interior, it seems to be missing something in the shot looking forward, just the keel stepped mast. Lots of systems to keep working. A man or woman could go broke keeping all the bells and dodads working.

If I had $450k, I'd buy a good, but not so shiny $100k boat, spend a bit fix'n it and just go and live on the other $300k.
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With your new-found, and well-deserved, clout, could you be so kind as to do me a big favor and drop these fine folks a quick e-mail to inform them that I'm a serious buyer at $200K. I'll even have my wife legally change her name to "Bluebell" if it will help.

1995 Hinckley Sou'wester 42 MK II Sloop Sail Boat For Sale -

That little honey "needs" a rescue!
That boat needs "rescuing" like Princess Kate needs rescuing...
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Nice boat, a bit spendy for a 20 year old boat, even at $200k. Might need to let that one sit for a few more years, so it looses a zero or two... Interesting interior, it seems to be missing something in the shot looking forward, just the keel stepped mast. Lots of systems to keep working. A man or woman could go broke keeping all the bells and dodads working.

If I had $450k, I'd buy a good, but not so shiny $100k boat, spend a bit fix'n it and just go and live on the other $300k.
She needs nothing, except a new address at my dock!

Such a beautiful interior (and exterior). She's immaculate, for a '95.
Then again, she's lightly sailed and pulled each autumn and stored & maintained at Hinckley since new. Hard to get much better care than that.

Yes, the mast is pulled in that shot. Love the olive green interior and the in-hull portholes. She's seen a lot of love, I'd like to give her more.
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That boat needs "rescuing" like Princess Kate needs rescuing...
You never can tell! Don't be shy! Maybe the owners are on their last legs, and just want to find her a new home -- at a 50% discount. Similar to if I ever have the chance to meet Sophia Loren, my dream girl! I'll walk right up and make an offer, even though she's also a little long in the tooth.
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She needs nothing, except a new address at my dock!

Such a beautiful interior (and exterior). She's immaculate, for a '95.
Then again, she's lightly sailed and pulled each autumn and stored & maintained at Hinckley since new. Hard to get much better care than that.

Yes, the mast is pulled in that shot. Love the olive green interior and the in-hull portholes. She's seen a lot of love, I'd like to give her more.
We look at boats with different eyes. I see a hull that needs polishing, and lots of wood to varnish. I'm not at all fond of in hull portlights either. Its a weak point. Yes she's had a lot of love'n, but that love'n did not come cheap.
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We look at boats with different eyes. I see a hull that needs polishing, and lots of wood to varnish. I'm not at all fond of in hull portlights either. Its a weak point. Yes she's had a lot of love'n, but that love'n did not come cheap.
And I thought "I" was picky!

She's lookin' just swell to me! I'm a hardwood addict! I'd buy David Crosby's wooden schooner "Mayan" if I had the chance. I'd get around to polishing the hull a little later.

Hull ports are weak points in other boats, not in Hinckleys. Guaranteed!
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Weak points? In what sense? Leading to what sort of failure in what sort of conditions? Ports sure can leak and leaks can lead to water infiltration into the laminate/core and loss of strength.

On the other hand a properly maintained port is hardly what I would be concerned as a weak point.

Please explain.
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After the first round, Emotional and Logical return to their corners. Emotional is on a high for having so decisively won the first round. Logical shocked at what happened, and so quickly.

Round 2:
Logical approaches the center of the ring armed with facts and figures. Emotional, light of her feet and quick of step floats toward her opponent beaming with confidence. But she will not try to KO her opponent. She knows she needs her as a friend and so only wants to convince her this time it's important for Emotional to win.

The first punch is thrown by Logical, a spreadsheet jab to the face but it just grazes the lightning fast Emotional. She's seen the spreadsheets and is unaffected. We'll worry about it when the time comes, she thinks to herself.


Then a flurry of punches to the body, bank statements, lists of things to be repaired and then an uppercut to the jaw, And here's the list of all the possible things that COULD need repairing!


The last punch stunned Emotional and sent her reeling back! Logical charged her opponent with hard hitting punches to the body followed by another uppercut to the chin that caused the knees of Emotional to buckle, You'll be broke all the time! The ropes kept Emotional from falling to the canvas.


Then the bell rung...

Back in her corner, Emotional knew her opponent had used the calls from the Logical fans in the crowd to pummel her into ropes and she knew one more round like this would be her last round in this fight. Broke? she asked herself. No, we've looked at everything. Only something really major would be a financial problem.


That was stupid to allow that punch to connect. Emotional had let her guard down. Those punches weren't facts, they were worse case scenarios. And she knew, Logical was afraid, afraid of those worst case scenarios. But how to counter that?

Then it hit her, Nothing will keep you from enjoying life more that allowing fear of the unknown to rule. She must figure out how to use that in Round 3...
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Weak points? In what sense? Leading to what sort of failure in what sort of conditions? Ports sure can leak and leaks can lead to water infiltration into the laminate/core and loss of strength.

On the other hand a properly maintained port is hardly what I would be concerned as a weak point.

Please explain.
AH, sorry, I personally think its a weak point, this is on the portlight in the hull, below the deck. Oh say if an inexperienced person on the helm miss reads the current and the current takes the boat into a channel marker and damaged the frame/mounting, or just hits a dead head in the water when healed over.

On the Hinckley in question, which is a nice boat, the hull portlight is at the widest part of the hull. It pretty much has a sign on it saying hit me. But then the Hinckley is balsa core below the water line too. I'm not partial to that either. Yes in a perfect world, balsa core is fine. But I don't live in that world.
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Any pretty old boat, after refitting, is sold at a loss
Of course
1. We do refit for ourselves
2. Refit costs as new, or more
3. the refit boat gets reliable, but remains old, and sells at a discount as before (similarly, optionals are worth ZERO in a second-hand car)

I bought a 25yo boat on the assumption it was, is, should be... my only and last one.

Only logic concern, is to guess the overall expenditure. Of course, it being that old means a 50% of purchase price in refit. Thus , you must feel comfy with the 150%!

A pedigree boat, any unique one, is worth the final result, but any commercial boat is hardly so.(you have an alternative!)

There are nr.8 Nauta54 around, and I wanted it. I paid it 10% (ten%) of its worth as new , i do not pretend it is a bargain, just a feasible 'vision' where i have room for PERSONAL add-ons & choices.
incidentally, boats that like are hardly manufactured nowadays....24tonnes, extra sturdy, doors click gently after 25years, while light modern boats don't.

and yes, it is longer than logical wanted, but almost perfect for emotional.
Julie, are you facing a similar opportunity?

Julie, your last contribution is so funny! Were you not paired with a partner, I'd invite you immediately on board for ever :-)
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This is the classic question. DoI:

Marry,
A. Manic depressive go go dancer with a slight drug problem?
B. The girl next door?

Buy,
A. Exotic Italian sports car that has to have the engine removed (by a man whose name you can't pronounce but sounds like a cast member of "The Sopranos ") to replace the timing belts at astonishingly short intervals.
B. Honda.

Only you can tell if your heart is strong enough and your pockets are deep enough.

If you decide to make an offer, make it LOW.
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Finally, proper recognition .. Gee I've been a MOD for almost 6 months. But no kneeling or bowing.... well not too much

I like the rescue boat idea. Lots of neglected boats out there.
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Someone earlier said something like he'd never seen a boat that didn't need work. While I agree, conceptually, there's the very important difference between NEEDS work to even get away from the dock safely vs. needs WORK for enchantments and improvements or modernization but is safe to sail as is.

I think these are the differences that haven't yet been completely explained by Julie. A month or two in the yard means a lot more than just a bottom job and zincs, at least in my mind.

Anything more becomes a "project boat" and we've all heard those stories.

We've bought three boats over the last 30 years. A 1981 in 1983. A 1981 in 1987. And a 1986 in 1998.

NONE of them required anything more than putting fuel in and going sailing.

For the second two boats we spent a YEAR looking for ONLY those specific boats, and saw altogether too many examples of horrible neglect.

That neglect ranged all the way from "What were they thinkin' when they tried that stupid trick?" to simply sitting around too long doing nothing. Even surveyed and sea trialed one that didn't pass the survey even though it looked pretty good.

Ex-Calif explained the whole two out of three thing pages ago.

I would, and have, spent more time finding a better example of what I was looking for rather than jumping in because that's the kind of boat I wanted. Remember, we were only looking for this PARTICULAR brand, size & model. ONLY.

There's not enough info in Julie's posts to tell whether this boat she has her eyes on is a one-off or if there are many more of that same model and size out there.

I think that's critical in this decision making process, emotional or intellectual or both.

We couldn't tell her to keep looking if it's a one-off.

We should or could if it's a boat that has many sisterships.

Good luck, Julie.
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