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Old 23-03-2016, 15:53   #241
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I'm really curious to know 'what' positive health effects were cigarettes thought to have up until the 60's?
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Wasn't it like getting sex, or riding a horse, etc.? The people smoking always seemed to get to do all those things.
that's because catamarans weren't invented in those days

the Marlboro man would be on a gunboat instead of a horse
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Just because I'm feeling argumentative, I'll point out that at least until the 1960's, cigarettes were considered to have healthy effects by many.

Now I drink moderately myself, but wouldn't be surprised to find that any studies showing the healthy effect of alcohol consumption, just might be funded by alcohol producers?

I remember a TV commercial that said that more Doctors recommend Chesterfield than any other brand if I'm not mistaken.
Reminded me of the Merle Travis / Tex Williams song from WAY back in 1947 about dangers of cigarettes. "Smoke! Smoke! Smoke! (That Cigarette)"

Even have Fred & Barney from the Flintstones smoking Winston Cigarettes included in this little toe-tapper video.
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Which President as a child was prescribe to smoke cigars because he has asthma? I really don't know and that may even have been in the 1800's or so, and yes I am certain the tobacco companies were behind it the supposed health effects, what's a conspiracy theory without it?




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Old 23-03-2016, 16:00   #244
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I'm really curious to know 'what' positive health effects were cigarettes thought to have up until the 60's?
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Wasn't it like getting sex, or riding a horse, etc.? The people smoking always seemed to get to do all those things.
I have never understood what is sexy about smoking? When I was a young whipper snipper about 17 I think as I had one of them panel vans. I had for a very brief time an exceptionally pretty 16 year old girl friend. They type that everyone thought how the hell did RC get to have a girl friend like that. I knew she smoked but I had no idea the impact of a girl smoking for a non smoker. Our first official date was at a drive in movie, when we slipped over the back and had my first kiss, I was so put off our night and our future relationship went down hill from then. I broke off our relationship after just a couple of weeks, much to the amusement of our friends. I described it like kissing an ash tray
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I found this on a quick Google, I have no idea as to accuracy,

http://ethicalnag.org/2013/11/03/vin...ds-cigarettes/


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Which President as a child was prescribe to smoke cigars because he has asthma? I really don't know and that may even have been in the 1800's or so, and yes I am certain the tobacco companies were behind it the supposed health effects, what's a conspiracy theory without it?

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Actually the attack on the Tobacco Industry was sponsored by the Oil and Automotive industry.. a handy whipping horse to deflect attention from the pollution and effects on health from the gases produced by fossil fuels..
Notice how.. in spite of a huge decrease in smoking how Asthma and Cancer cases are ever upward.. now they're blaming excess Sugar...
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Vintage ads for doctor-recommended smokes | The Ethical Nag


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before the time when it was unlawful to just print whatever lie you wanted to I have no doubt they are accurate. The telling point is the following quote from that page,

And as recently as 1969, Post-Keyes-Gardner, the ad agency for tobacco giant Brown & Williamson, relied on the paid testimony of physicians for a new campaign “to set aside in the minds of millions the false accusations that cigarette smoking causes lung cancer or other diseases.” **

So, even back in those times, it was well known that there were no real health benefits at all, just big bucks if you said there were.
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I am old enough to remember some (not the first).

The tobacco lobby is still alive and well. They have some different clients these days; but use the same tactics and the same people, like Fred Singer and Joe Bast.

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Actually the attack on the Tobacco Industry was sponsored by the Oil and Automotive industry.. a handy whipping horse to deflect attention from the pollution and effects on health from the gases produced by fossil fuels..
Notice how.. in spite of a huge decrease in smoking how Asthma and Cancer cases are ever upward.. now they're blaming excess Sugar...
oh come on boaty, pull the other one
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It's not that simple. Moderate consumption of alcohol has positive health effects. And I wouldn't know how to survive (and even have anything remotely approaching fun) at a party without some booze.

But then I come from a completely different culture with regards to alcohol than the the US. I remember when applying to participate in an exchange student program I had to fill out an (American English) form asking if I drank alcoholic liquor. I answered "no", because as far as I know, I didn't. Beer and wine wasn't liquor. That term was reserved (in our language) for distilled stuff, and I didn't touch that until I was in my thirties.

But wine and beer? No problem. The last time I ever drank coca cola in my life was when I was 13. Someday in that year my dad told me that I was now to old for soft drinks (which are for children) I could have a beer in stead. Took me some getting used to the taste, but you know how one is as a young teenager. You don't want to disappoint your dad.

Soft drinks are for kids. Comparing the general health of the population between say, France and the US I would say that sugar is a bigger health problem than alcohol...
Unfortunately the health benefits of moderate drinking have been debunked. Apparently the old studies went like this; when you get sick, you cut back on alcohol, sick people die sooner than healthy people, so drinking less causes death.

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100% agree with you on the dangers of sugar. I know a lot of lifelong Coke/Pepsi drinkers now getting fitted for colostomy bags and having other strange, health related issues. Doesn't seem to help much if it's that diet stuff either.

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oh come on boaty, pull the other one
Hey.. I've been smoking since I was 5yrs old.. so 62 years.. minimum 40/day since 16..
I've healed lung scarring from occupational environments such as factory machine fumes, chemical process fumes and asbestos however my last x-ray showed good lung functions and blood readings CEA-AG of 1,8ng/ml.. a non smoker is rated at 3,8 and a smoker at 5,5..
Oh.. and my current consumption is 100gms of rolling tobacco/week..
Happy to post the report if you don't believe me...

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Hey.. I've been smoking since I was 5yrs old.. so 62 years.. minimum 40/day since 16..
I've healed lung scarring from occupational environments such as factory machine fumes, chemical process fumes and asbestos however my last x-ray showed good lung functions and blood readings CEA-AG of 1,8ng/ml.. a non smoker is rated at 3,8 and a smoker at 5,5..
Oh.. and my current consumption is 100gms of rolling tobacco/week..
Happy to post the report if you don't believe me...

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PS.. Zero Cholesterol problems to boot..
next thing you will be wanting to trade your mono in for a multi if you carry on like that
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Boatie, some people won the genetic lottery, most didn't.
Sounds like you did, I'm happy for you, honestly. The rest of us get fat looking at food etc. Either way, you have to play the hand you were dealt.
Some were born Rich with trust funds too, just they way it is.

For me sugar is like Heroin or something. I know that stuff is BAD for me, but I crave the stuff.

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Boatie, some people won the genetic lottery, most didn't.
Sounds like you did, I'm happy for you, honestly. The rest of us get fat looking at food etc. Either way, you have to play the hand you were dealt.
Some were born Rich with trust funds too, just they way it is.

For me sugar is like Heroin or something. I know that stuff is BAD for me, but I crave the stuff.

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Me too.. 20 mugs of coffee a day with two heaped spoons of Muscovado... and 3 boxes of After Eight a week.. not counting the Macvites Plain Choc Digestives... YUMMMMMMMM
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