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Old 03-05-2015, 19:16   #16
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Re: Does a canoe make a sailor?

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Re: Does a canoe make a sailor?

I did a 36-day sea kayak trip with a friend in Queensland, Aus. We had a sail rig and sailed probably 80% of the time.
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Re: Does a canoe make a sailor?

On canoe trips on the Albany River (Ontario), and the Saint John (Maine), we used a trapazoidal sail with slots on two edges for paddles. This was rapidly reefed by pulling the paddles together. It was big enough for large lakes. Note that we were going downwind with the prevailing wind. Note, also, that we had three paddles per canoe, so the helmsman in the stern had a means to steer.
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Reminds me of Weta.

You may grow up to the IC10m2 one day ... ;-)

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Re: Does a canoe make a sailor?

My dad had an 18 foot Aluminium Grumman canoe that had a sailing rig on it. I'm sure my brother still has it. I recall it being pretty fast, but with a round bottom and two small daggerboards, there wasn't much room for error.
I looked at some super sailing kayaks at a boat show and bought a 20 year old SJ24, so I became a keel boater, but I always have a kayak or two around to use at anchor or on car trips. They are hard to beat for fun, except during squalls.
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I agree and I really meant "make" as in create the desire to sail. Nobody thinks or calls me a sailor, especially me.
I have a sail rig for the canoe I have in Oregon. I just bought it last year so I haven't rigged it yet but once I do it'll be a sailing vessel. This last weekend I was a powerboater using the club's power boat as safety boat for our sailing class. The Tuesday before that I was a sailor going out on a Venture 17.

I learned that I was a sailor onboard my first destroyer in '63. That's what they called us regardless of having no sails. I learned how to really sail in '72. So, since '63 I've been considered a sailor and once you sail or join the Navy you'll be a sailor. I recommend basic sailing classes if you can find them in your area and have the inclination.
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Alas, on some WWII monuments sailors who went down with their destroyers are at times called sailors alright. WWII destroyers had no sails for sure.

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Great story.

Like many here, my first boat was a canoe. I would occasionally set up a sail rig with lashed dagger board (paddle), but my best canoe/sail experience was paddling the Missinaibi River to James Bay. Once the river spilled down off the Canadian Shield we lashed the two boats together and rigged a stout mast. From there we used a tarp to create a reefable square sail. For the next 12 days we sailed downriver, even to the point of sailing/running the multiple class I-II raps that speckle the route.

There's nothing like sailing through a wilderness rapid to learn the joy of travelling by wind.
That really sounds exciting. I'm going to look that up on the google earth and see where you are speaking about.
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Re: Does a canoe make a sailor?

A sailor can make a canoe! My second redwood dugout is almost finished.I took the first one to Fort Lauderdale and it was perfect for the many canals and rivers around town. Perfect for quiet evening excursions. Under a certain avocado tree... Just had to keep out of the way of the Jungle Queen!
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Not all kayakers know how to sail... but these sailors sure can kayak! And if I get tired I can toss them in, grab their harnesses and they'll tow me to shore!
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PS This is a new to me kayak on its first trip with the dogs. I learnt from the experience that on this particular kayak the big dog has to go on the bow. But not easy to retrain dogs which are set in their ways...
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Re: Does a canoe make a sailor?

I don't think a 'canoeist' is a 'sailor' anymore than I think a 'sailor' on a destroyer or submarine is. the term for a sailor is a carry over from the days before the internal combustion engine of course.

But, really it depends on the context of what your talking about. If it's as plain as anyone involved with travelling on the water then yes they are 'sailors'.

If the context is in travelling from destinations via the sea using largely the wind as propulsion, and knowledge of the weather and tides, as CF members largely discuss, then no there not.
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Re: Does a canoe make a sailor?

Agreed canoes don't generally sail. However, I believe the right canoe is definitely capable of being a cruising boat.

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Re: Does a canoe make a sailor?

All my early boating was on small sailboats in Ft. Lauderdale, but my wife and I took up some whitewater canoeing back in the 70's. A number of techniques important for maneuvering a canoe in strong current can be applied to managing a sailboat in current, particularly the canoeing/kayaking technique called "ferrying".
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All my early boating was on small sailboats in Ft. Lauderdale, but my wife and I took up some whitewater canoeing back in the 70's. A number of techniques important for maneuvering a canoe in strong current can be applied to managing a sailboat in current, particularly the canoeing/kayaking technique called "ferrying".
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