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Old 05-07-2010, 21:36   #1
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Can You Really Sail 14 Degrees Off the Wind ?

Got into Friday Harbor the other day, let the crew loose on the unsuspecting inhabitants, and was tiding up around the boat. The guy next to me in a nice Nordic 40 is having a glass of wine. We get to talking, and he mentions that he can pinch his boat at 12 degrees off the wind and can "Go all day at 14 degrees off the wind" with all of his go fast/racing equipment.
Really? I can't really pinch closer than 30 degrees, and that I feel I am doing pretty good. I didn't think cruisers could really do that. For that matter, I didn't think racers could do that. What do you guys think? Do I just need all new Tape-drive sails? How close are you able to sail to the wind?
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Old 05-07-2010, 21:41   #2
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Newt, the funny noise you heard while this chap was talking to you was the BS alarm going off!

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Sure.

With the Iron Gennoa, I can sail 0 degrees off the wind!

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Old 05-07-2010, 21:51   #4
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Did he mention that his go fast racing equipment included his engine? ;-)
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We get to talking, and he mentions that he can pinch his boat at 12 degrees off the wind and can "Go all day at 14 degrees off the wind" with all of his go fast/racing equipment.
Really? I can't really pinch closer than 30 degrees, and that I feel I am doing pretty good. I didn't think cruisers could really do that. For that matter, I didn't think racers could do that. How close are you able to sail to the wind?
Is he talking apparent or true?

If it's one of the high tech racing boats that make their own apparent wind then, they are unbelievably good, but 14 degrees apparent (if true) is amazing. I don't like tall stories and prefer to talk to fisherman.

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Old 05-07-2010, 22:09   #6
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Soooo, what's the angle-o-meter say when he's on the other tack???

Sheesh, ya shoulda stopped by and said hello!
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dude is sailin' a Nordic Iceboat, right?
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It's usually called luffing. Another fun sailing term that should be applied to cosumption. I was 2 luffs to the wind.
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What's the problem?

14 degrees is great... over the transom... spinnaker full...
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Absolute dribble
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I've never seen a consensus before on this forum!
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Old 06-07-2010, 05:52   #12
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AWA

A Volvo 60 or a Seacart can see AWA's in the low 20's for max windward VMG.

It certainly would be surprising to see a Nordic 40 loaded with cruising gear seeing these sort of angles under sail power alone. He may have a problem with his AWA instruments. Or he may have an accent and was actually saying 40.
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As we say in Britain 'In yer dreams mate'

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Ok, if I could sail 14* off the wind, I'd bottle and sell it.....
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Just ask what his tacking angles are. Wow! You tack though 28 degrees!! Wow wow!!!!
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