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Old 29-06-2013, 07:26   #31
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who studies whales?
a whale biologist.
what does a whale biologist do for a living/income?
studies whales.
so if all the whales are gone, who has the most to lose?
a whale biologist.
so why would a whale biologist say anything other then
"the whales are going extinct, we must protect and study them!"?

i don't blame them, they have to sell themselves.

and don't get me wrong i like whales, just like i like moose, alligators, giraffes, cheetahs, hippos, and dolphins.
i just like people 10,000,000,000 times more.
to spend 100's of millions on protecting animals while children die, is unacceptable.
Ah yes, the mass conspiracy of science. I'm guessing all whale biologists make $400k a year driving their Ferrari's to their mega yachts.

*rolls eyes*
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Old 29-06-2013, 08:03   #32
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Ah yes, the mass conspiracy of science. I'm guessing all whale biologists make $400k a year driving their Ferrari's to their mega yachts.

*rolls eyes*
More then you realize.
Most make 6 figures.
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More then you realize.
Most make 6 figures.
Really? That's it I'm retraining
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Scoobert... 3 billion people in America alone eh? Well China is bigger, geographically, and there are only 1 billion there. Do you think that China could survive on it's own without agricultural imports from other countries? Without imported energy resources?
Maybe you need to question the "science" you are reading and start reading some science that does more than just justify your pre-existing opinions.
Maybe you could tell us all your opinion on global warming. It's just a hoax, right? lol
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More then you realize.
Most make 6 figures.
$45k-$100k average

http://www.payscale.com/career-news/...ame_dr_james_b

Lets not forget most have graduate degrees and doctorates, so their pay relative to the cost of schooling puts them in the burger flipper class of doctorates.
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Science........faith.......blah! How about common sense? That isn't illegal......yet.
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...don't let science and facts get in the way of a good argument.

Lets just kill everything, grow a bunch of GMO crops and drink the fluoride water........oh and pay your taxes and stop asking questions.
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re: Whale Collision near Japan - Merged

Back to whales...

The year before we started cruising a friend was sailing a J-120 down the Baja in heavy winds... She was running down the face of a wave when a whale surfaced to breath right in front of her boat. The boats rudder caught the whale and ripped the hull open like a can opener.

We started cruising a year later. Three days into it a Humpback Whale decided to scratch its back on our sailboat 35 miles off Monterey, CA. It gouged 6 scratches into my new bottom paint and scared the crap out of me.

During the 18 months we were cruising Pacific Mexico, the two boats were struck by whales... Yes rammed.

We had two additional near misses with Humpbacks while we were in Mexico.

Lookout or not, sometimes stuff just happens... Whales are beautiful creatures, but should given a wide berth, if you have a chance to...
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we each need only 1.2 acres to eat very well.
there is over 6 billion acres in north America alone. we are a small country.
the current theory says America can support 3 billion people alone.
seeing as how we only have 250 million, we have a long way to go.
I just popped into this thread thinking there was a further update on the whale collision, and I come across this statement. There is a a lot of ridiculous statements on CF, but this deserves some sort of award. 6 billion arable acres??? I love farming on mountains, arctic/sub-arctic lands, continental cratons, lakes, river, etc... The actual amount of arable land in NA is somewhere around 1.1 billion acres.

By your formula that still gives a possible 916 million people for NA, so roughly double of our current population (NA's current pop. is ~470 million people CIA Fact Book). So we can feed nearly 1 billion. What about water? Large parts of the US are already in crisis. What about other basic resources like wood for buildings, energy for heating and cooling, minerals for all the stuff of life??? Most research indicates we've exceeded the carrying capacity of this planet (Google Scholar search for actual research). If the current global population lived like North Americas, we'd need many more planets.

Scoobert, if you want to make ridiculous statements like this, at least go through the trouble of supporting them with real data.
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Ya we were doing Johnson Strait between Vancouver Island and the mainland last October and had an encounter with a humpback. I saw something ahead in the water. It was quite a ways ahead and not moving. It was a long thin line and looked like probably a log. I watched it closely, as we were heading almost directly toward it. I started to believe it was not a log but probably some kelp. Then as we approached, I still was not 100% sure what it was but it still was not moving and we were going to go right past it, it was to starboard.
The wife and I both left the helm and went forward to investigate. I had the camera so I could zoom in and see better before we actually got to it. On the foredeck, I turned on the camera and it died. Just as we approached this thing, the wife screamed, "it's a rock" and ran for the helm. Just then the rock woke up and blew and dove. It's tail came out of the water right beside me, probably 6 to 8 feet from the boat.
The wife grabbed the video camera while she was in the cockpit and started shooting astern and caught it diving again.
Then she came up on the foredeck and we both stood there with knees trembling, laughing.
A highlight of the journey, for sure.
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Scoobert, I view whales differently, mainly because they're part of an vital ecological system but also for my own subjective reasons. I also hold a different view of demographics and the wisdom of 3 billion Americans. Again, my concerns center on ecological systems, not just food supplies but also energy, carbon, water, pollutants, species diversity, etc, though I admit I also have subjective views about balancing population with quality of life.

I respect your views, but I would be more persuaded if you gave a little consideration to Little's points (and scientific thinking, generally). I wonder if you see these logical fallacies?
  • The biologist is wrong because I don't trust his motive, and Little is wrong because his motives are similar to those of a murderer I read about (ad hominem and reductio ad absurdem)
  • We can save whales or children, not both (false dichotomy)
  • Efforts to limit human population will lead to forced sterilization (reductio ad absurdem)
  • Human population is limited only by land area/food supply, not other ecological constraints (unwarranted assumption)

Here's to whales and people.
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There should be a "like" button for comments like Cfarrar's.
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A moving rock that got away! Now, that what I call a fish story! Not to be outdone...A Florida state trooper clocked a speeding tree, on his radar gun, going in excess of 100 mph. He explained that to his sergeant. Trouper was told not to clock trees anymore, and is now recovering from exhaustion at a local hospital.

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I'm glad at least them camera was on watch...
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I am sorry the collision occurred. Bad for both parties. We can always put the sterilization clinic in front of the food store.
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