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25-12-2015, 06:09
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Re: Vessel boarded and robbed between Trinidad and Grenada
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Originally Posted by Thumbs Up
I am anti gun.
This could be a legal weapon
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"I am anti gun." That's sad.
"This could be a legal weapon" I imagine the ATF would have something to say about that.
Not that it wouldn't work and it would be a "Blast" to play with but I wouldn't want to count on it in a pinch. The trick would be in getting the bottle to explode in the water in front of them if it were going to be a scare tactic.
I'd be more prone to try and take out their engine with a 7.62X39 round and just leave them there to paddle home.
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25-12-2015, 06:12
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#17
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Re: Vessel boarded and robbed between Trinidad and Grenada
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Originally Posted by Canibul
I dont think the wussies win at all, the rest of us just stop trying to reason with them.
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Meanwhile all the "wussies" continue to sail to all those places that the gun totin' folk cleaning and caressing their weapon fantasies mostly only dream of…
The proportion of serious adventure cruising sailors exploring the world who carry guns and entertain ridiculous fantasies of throwing fuel bombs at people while at sea to those who just sail without fear is tiny. As is the number of incidents worldwide in any year. And how many successfully defend themselves with their beloved weapons, eh? But by all means continue to peer at the world overtop of your weapons and your fears.
And have a Merry Xmas.
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25-12-2015, 06:15
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#18
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Re: Vessel boarded and robbed between Trinidad and Grenada
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Originally Posted by Salty Mike
"I am anti gun." That's sad.
"This could be a legal weapon" I imagine the ATF would have something to say about that.
Not that it wouldn't work and it would be a "Blast" to play with but I wouldn't want to count on it in a pinch. The trick would be in getting the bottle to explode in the water in front of them if it were going to be a scare tactic.
I'd be more prone to try and take out their engine with a 7.62X39 round and just leave them there to paddle home.
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You guys do love to cast yourself in the starring role of a silly action movie, don't you?
Merry Xmas!
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25-12-2015, 06:23
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Re: Vessel boarded and robbed between Trinidad and Grenada
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Originally Posted by GordMay
A yacht was boarded by a fishing boat armed with a gun that looked like a rapid fire automatic and robbed about half way between Trinidad and Grenada. Cash, passports, computers and electronics were taken, no one was hurt. The vessel was, as far as I understand, on a pretty direct route from Chaguaramas to Port Louis.
I would not let this stop me sailing to Trinidad, but I think I would try to sty a bit east of the direct route. The TT coastguard know about it, Hopefully they will take rapid action."[/I]
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In the old days, reports were based on facts ...
Which boat? Dunno
What guns? Dunno
Where? Dunno, I just heard some talk about it
The I would not let this stop me sailing to Trinidad made me laugh - if you want to be cruising but might avoid any country where you might get robbed, burgled or whatever crime, you can' t go anywhere. Can't stay home either, cos crimes happen there too ...
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25-12-2015, 06:45
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#20
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Re: Vessel boarded and robbed between Trinidad and Grenada
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Originally Posted by Muckle Flugga
Would those be the "wussies" who sail all over the world without cowering behind fantasies of burning people alive with petrol bombs? Oh yeah, those wussies. And while you're at it, how many leisure vessels can you show evidence of which have been successfully defended by the use of "molotov cocktails"?
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Originally Posted by Canibul
I dont think the wussies win at all, the rest of us just stop trying to reason with them.
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Yeah, I should have said it that way. There's a certain element of craziness magical thinking in folks insisting we'll be safe when we hand in our weapons. And apologies Muckle, I wasn't really endorsing the Molotov cocktail idea. But as to your rantish notion of incredibly brave sailors around the world ... all that bravado goes away after dark in a strange anchorage.
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25-12-2015, 06:50
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Re: Vessel boarded and robbed between Trinidad and Grenada
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Originally Posted by Blue Crab
Yeah, I should have said it that way. There's a certain element of craziness magical thinking in folks insisting we'll be safe when we hand in our weapons. And apologies Muckle, I wasn't really endorsing the Molotov cocktail idea. But as to your rantish notion of incredibly brave sailors around the world ... all that bravado goes away after dark in a strange anchorage.
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No. It doesn't. Been in many hundreds mate, all over the world, first, second, and third. Most of the last decade in my life has been spent sailing in various parts of the "third world". But think what you like, if it makes you happier, and feel more "secure".
Merry Xmas.
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25-12-2015, 06:53
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Re: Vessel boarded and robbed between Trinidad and Grenada
Well, this thread won't last long.
But I would like to point out, it was a self described anti-gun person who brought up molatovs and potato guns.
Also, the no-gun sailors descriptions of the mindset of those who carry arms aboard are far from accurate. eg. .. caressing, looking at the world over the sights, etc
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25-12-2015, 06:55
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Re: Vessel boarded and robbed between Trinidad and Grenada
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Originally Posted by Lizzy Belle
In the old days, reports were based on facts ...
The I would not let this stop me sailing to Trinidad made me laugh - if you want to be cruising but might avoid any country where you might get robbed, burgled or whatever crime, you can' t go anywhere. Can't stay home either, cos crimes happen there too ...
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Lol very true, we'd never leave our homes in the US .
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25-12-2015, 06:57
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Re: Vessel boarded and robbed between Trinidad and Grenada
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Originally Posted by Vasco
That "report" was pure speculation. No basis for it at all.
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Good point. I should have stated that.
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25-12-2015, 06:59
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Re: Vessel boarded and robbed between Trinidad and Grenada
These arguments always get so polarized. On one side you have the group that does drum circles and group hugs. The other side has retractable machine gun turrets mounted on bow and stern.
The reality is that a gun (or any other weapon) is like any other tool. You keep it clean and stored away until a specific job requires that tool. Then you use it in an efficient manner to accomplish the task when it's needed. It's like that extendable magnet stick. I may never use it, or only once in ten years, but when I drop that little screw the bottom of the bilge it's a life saver.
It would be nice to get details on these type of instances (boat size, where it happened exactly, any circumstances like they flashed money in port etc) that might make a difference to those of us who need to do a risk analysis on where to travel.
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25-12-2015, 07:00
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Re: Vessel boarded and robbed between Trinidad and Grenada
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Originally Posted by Muckle Flugga
No. It doesn't. Been in many hundreds mate, all over the world, first, second, and third. Most of the last decade in my life has been spent sailing in various parts of the "third world". But think what you like, if it makes you happier, and feel more "secure".
Merry Xmas.
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We're all swashbucklers on the internet. Happy Festivus to you cap.
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25-12-2015, 07:01
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Re: Vessel boarded and robbed between Trinidad and Grenada
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Originally Posted by Sea Frog
Noonsite has been quite selective lately on what to publish.
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This is a little concerning, but hard to say if the victims aren't reporting or noonsite isn't updating.
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25-12-2015, 07:03
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Location: Australia
Boat: Lagoon 400
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Re: Vessel boarded and robbed between Trinidad and Grenada
Merry Christmas
CSSN is in direct contact with the victims. As soon as we clarify a few facts from the victims first hand report, we will publish the incident report through our usual channels. This should happen in a few hours. The report will also be available on our website at the following address.
https://www.safetyandsecuritynet.com/newsreports/
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25-12-2015, 07:07
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Re: Vessel boarded and robbed between Trinidad and Grenada
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Originally Posted by dwedeking2
. It's like that extendable magnet stick. I may never use it, or only once in ten years, but when I drop that little screw the bottom of the bilge it's a life saver.
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I thought I was the only one with the ingenious plan to throw my extending magnet stick at attacking pirates, disabling their outboard magneto and causing them to shake their fists in frustration as I sail off into the yonder. I guess great minds think alike!
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25-12-2015, 07:07
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#30
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Re: Vessel boarded and robbed between Trinidad and Grenada
What I meant when I said that it could be a "legal" weapon is that disassembled, it would only amount to a box of plastic pipe and fittings that would survive the scrutiny of any clearing in procedure. Assembled, if made to look like a large turret gun, it could actually serve as a visual deterrent. If anyone actually wants to discuss this go ahead and start a new thread on it. Back to the original topic of this thread though, the key words were: NO ONE WAS HURT. If these sailors had pulled a gun on these pirates I think that it could have been a fatal mistake on their part. Once again I am ANTI GUN! But I don't believe that it is good to perpetuate the notion that we cruisers are never armed either.
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