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**boatman61** · 08-05-2010, 20:21

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Originally Posted by Christian Van H

Excellent post Boatman! The true definition of "Smug" might be to claim to understand the workings of nature well enough to effect change and know the outcome. I would first believe someone who claimed to know the complete workings of the human brain. After all, the system is simpler than the web of symbiosis in nature we know so little about.

Awwww... Damn... I got the definition of 'Smug' wrong Again...

Cheers Christian...

I'm gonna have to start using "Wiki" more often..

conachair · 09-05-2010, 06:56

latest status update from the Dalai Lama on face book.
It is not difficult to forgive destruction in the past, caused by ignorance. Today, we have access to more information. It is essential that we re-examine ethically what we have inherited, what we are responsible for, and what we will pass on to coming generations. This is clearly a pivotal generation. Global communication is possible, yet confrontations take place more often than meaningful dialogues for peace.

flysci · 09-05-2010, 08:18

Conachair,

The Dalai is not just a smart man but wise man.

I think that might be the same point the OP was making about our oceans, illustrated with that excellent but shocking video.

Margo

conachair · 09-05-2010, 08:49

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Originally Posted by conachair

yet confrontations take place more often than meaningful dialogues

Could this possibly, perhaps, just maybe apply a little to net forums as well...

Therapy · 09-05-2010, 09:26

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Originally Posted by conachair

yet confrontations take place more often than meaningful dialogues

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Originally Posted by conachair

Could this possibly, perhaps, just maybe apply a little to net forums as well...

Just a basic human trait.

**boatman61** · 09-05-2010, 10:15

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Originally Posted by Therapy

Just a basic human trait.

Confrontation, controversy... essential to human progress... without it we never would have had many of the things we take for granted today.
Thats the soul of invention and new lifestyles... not a simple acceptance of what someone else says...
Every worthwhile achievement has involved confrontation...
its what makes this such a great site...

The problem with this medium though, is, that it lacks the visual/audio of normal communications.. hence sometimes slightly askew interpretations of possible meanings of the written word... leading to a tad of animosity.
Take it as tongue in cheek.. no one wants a "Fight".. once a posts out there your gonna be confronted.. enjoy it for what it is.. a fun way to hopefully learn something.. I know I have.

Sorry bout dat... It's my "I'll pretend I'm DEEP Day"

David_Old_Jersey · 09-05-2010, 16:21

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Originally Posted by flysci

The Dalai is not just a smart man but wise man.

If he was that smart and wise he would still have a country

MichaelC · 09-05-2010, 17:38

Back in the early 70s, my then wife and I were doing Anthropological field work in a small village in Iran. We had one daughter, three yrs old. The FIRST thing all women asked my wife was 'How do you keep from having more children, and how do we get it?' No question about who wants birth control. Also no question that it is the men - in most societies - that keep it from happening. Also true that no matter what we do about resource management, population growth will undo the progress.

**FrankZ** · 09-05-2010, 17:47

It would be appreciated if we could move this back towards something on the topic of cruising and boats.

Thanks

flysci · 09-05-2010, 17:49

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Originally Posted by David_Old_Jersey

If he was that smart and wise he would still have a country

Who are you David? Attila the Hun? I thought we were past might makes right.

Margo

senormechanico · 09-05-2010, 17:54

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Originally Posted by FrankZ

It would be appreciated if we could move this back towards something on the topic of cruising and boats.

Thanks

Sailing Anarchy has a category for stuff like this.
Just sayin'

**FrankZ** · 09-05-2010, 17:56

We aren't Sailing Anarchy...

Just sayin'

**boatman61** · 09-05-2010, 18:09

So basicly what your saying is my little rarely used 4hp 2stroke creates a bigger footprint than your 40+hp deisel... even though you'll run up more hrs in a month than I'd run in a year... yeah... whatever..

flysci · 09-05-2010, 18:22

So what can we, as cruisers, do to help the oceans, the place where we intend to spend our lives?

Let's each try to think of one concrete and helpful thing. Wuduya say?

I'll start: Buy and eat only ecologically sustainable fish.

Look here
Seafood Selector (Main Page) - Environmental Defense Fund
for help with choices.

Margo