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Old 20-11-2008, 16:10   #61
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i think that its an inside job

how do a bunch of pirates find a ship 450nm into the blue yonder??

was some al-queda sympithiser sending them their position?

The ships owners (Saudis) like all large ship owners have their vessells fitted with satalite tracking.

So what if some one wanted to raise funding for al queda,he employs the pirates to do the dirty work,giving them the GPS location of the ship,they do the job,the owners (may be alqueda sympithisers) stomp up $20 mill,everybody gets their cut and no body can accuse the Saudis of giving money to AL-queda
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Oooh the plot thickens...good one
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i think that its an inside job

how do a bunch of pirates find a ship 450nm into the blue yonder??
Sit in wait near common shipping lanes, and monitor an AIS receiver?
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i think that its an inside job

how do a bunch of pirates find a ship 450nm into the blue yonder??

was some al-queda sympithiser sending them their position?

The ships owners (Saudis) like all large ship owners have their vessells fitted with satalite tracking.

So what if some one wanted to raise funding for al queda,he employs the pirates to do the dirty work,giving them the GPS location of the ship,they do the job,the owners (may be alqueda sympithisers) stomp up $20 mill,everybody gets their cut and no body can accuse the Saudis of giving money to AL-queda
I don't know. The more people that are in on a conspiracy, the less likely it is to remain a secret. The more people that there are involved, the more likely someone is to talk.
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i think that its an inside job

how do a bunch of pirates find a ship 450nm into the blue yonder??

was some al-queda sympithiser sending them their position?

The ships owners (Saudis) like all large ship owners have their vessells fitted with satalite tracking.

So what if some one wanted to raise funding for al queda,he employs the pirates to do the dirty work,giving them the GPS location of the ship,they do the job,the owners (may be alqueda sympithisers) stomp up $20 mill,everybody gets their cut and no body can accuse the Saudis of giving money to AL-queda
That actually occurred to me as well. The news that tankers were being hijacked would cause a slight spike in oil prices (at 2 million barrels on board, a few $$ per barrel is a big #), the Saudis could juice the islamist junta and the entire group laughs all the way to the bank.
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Conspiracy theories are fun, but it only takes one conspiracy theory to explain this: The conspiracy to commit piracy.

Have you seen the towns funded by this industry? They got money now. Several multi-million dollar payoffs. Money to afford a few hundred dollars to send a flunkie to a foreign port to see what ships are leaving and when. And there are people to be bribed. A shipping clerk somewhere tips them off.

There are many easily explainable ways they can get the information.

Not to mention that if there are 20-30 (I totally made this number up) pirate boats cruising out there, they are bound to run up against a target once or twice a month. Could just be chance. They know the big targets are moving further away from their shoreline. They now have the money to outfit bigger, faster, longer range boats, so they go over to where the boats are crowded up against the opposite shore. And as someone pointed out, AIS receivers. VHS and SSB receivers. Radio direction finders? Long range radar. Fishing boats that know they'll get a nice kick-back for tipping someone off.

Like I said, doesn't take wild conspiracy theories to explain.

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Well I'm quite happy that an Indian destroyer blew up one of the pirate mother ships yesterday. Evidently, the pirates were waving rifles and RPG's at the Indian Navy ship and actually opened fire. Here's the description of the Indian "Delhi" class destroyer these idiots tried to take on:

Type: guided missile destroyer

Displacement: 6,700 tons

Length: 163 metres

Beam: 17 metres

Draught: 6.5 metres Propulsion: 2 shafts, 2 cruise diesels, 10,000 bhp;

2 AM-50 boost gas turbines, 54,000 shp

Speed: 32+ knots Range: 5,000 miles

Complement: 360 (including 40 Officers)

Armament:

16 Kh-35 Switchblade (SS-N-25) SSM (4 quad launchers),

Barak SAM, 2x Shtil SAM system,

100 mm AK-100 gun,

4 x 30 mm AK-630 gatling guns,

2 RBU-6000 Anti-submarine mortars,

5 x 10-21 inch torpedo tubes

Aircraft carried: 2 Sea King

According to the news report, the pirates started shooting at the destroyer. The Indians ship "opened fire" in response, there was an explosion, and the pirate ship sank. It didn't sound like it took too many shots. Maybe it was a couple of 4" shells lobbed through the bridge window or a Switchblade antiship missle (like a Harpoon).

I guess those pirates never saw Clint Eastwood say "Make my day"


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If they were Einsteins they would not be pirates.
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Remember that the French actually attacked pirates and killed several while recovering some French hostages. And an Indian ship (cruiser?) took action more recently against another pirate mothership.

US actions are an expensive way to get called Imperialist Bully, so why not let everyone else have a whack and put some teeth behind their own UN condemnations of this area?

It's a bit like whack-a-mole, though, the sad solution is what Kipling called "White Man's Burden". Go in, take over the country, pacify it and be Imperialists. (Of course, that didn't work out so well in the many places the Brits left messy new lines on maps no one cares to read, did it?)

I say we declare war on Somalia, claim it as a war price, and then award it to North Korea as a show of respect. Auction the movie rights and rake it in!
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I dont believe they have unlimited motherships.I think they could wipe them out quite quickly.I hope the Russians follow the Indian example when they get there.The navies already there dont seem to be able to afford the ammunition or something......
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The foreign fishing fleets that have been raping the sea off the Somalian coast also have a case to answer,these guys have seen their livelyhoods wiped out by the greed of huge commercial fishing fleets.

The fishermen are now transporting the gunslingers from Mogadishu out to capture the variuos vessels.

Where are they going to imprison the "captured pirates"?

If they jail them in the african continent they will be free within 6 months,the pirates bosses will just bribe the jailer

And why are the Russians so keen to get involved? Somalia has got to be one of their biggest markets for weapons.

Were do the Somalians get the money to buy the russian guns and RPG,s?
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Military, Shippers Must Work Together to Deter Pirates, Official Says

... Though naval forces have the duty to protect international shipping lanes, shipping companies also have an obligation to secure their ships and to help prevent piracy incidents ...

DefenseLink News Article: Military, Shippers Must Work Together to Deter Pirates, Official Says
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Now that Blackwater is on the way. Things will change drastically. These guys will be looking for a fight. They have no qualms of pulling the trigger first, and asking questions second.
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This looks like a job for Halliburton security systems...

Seriously - The infrastructure of Somalia has collapsed. Fishermen have found a new way to make way more money, so far with impunity.

This is the 1st Mogadishu of the 21st century.

Why should my tax dollars be spent to protect the private cargo of the oil companies. They haven't done squat for me lately and are the only industry in the world still making money.

The stupid scenario is to send aid to Somalia so they can rebuild their infrastructure and as a result the pirates will be enlightened to go back to their peaceful ways. Unfortunately more often than not that is how the US intervenes. BS - Just more money down the toilet as the corrupt politicians of Somalia will pocket the money.

Let the oil companies figure it out and here is a clue. No one will argue against commercial shiping companies protecting themselves on the high seas. Maybe they need escort ships and convoys ala WWII.

How is it funded? Higher price for shipping, higher price for delivered goods. The alternative is the American taxpayer funding it and I don't support that at all...
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