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Old 10-07-2008, 19:39   #61
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G'day Marborosounds,

Could the statements in the article be incorrect? It's possible. It's also possible that every other article linked to this forum by every other member could also be incorrect. However, if we assume that it's correct, then the figure's would have been quoted (or researched) by the journalist's prior to the publication date (10 May 2008), therefore we could assume that the cost of petroleum to the US military has increased since. Does the US military negotiate fuel contracts with foreign suppliers on a year by year basis? I don't know.

If you look at the link you'll notice that the US military is a larger consumer of petroleum than the entire nation of Sweden (population of 9 million).

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Also if people would go together as a floatilla just as they did during the 2nd world war alot of this would stop.
IMHO, what's needed in some of these countries is political & economical stability, so that the crime of piracy becomes less of an incentive. Unfortunately, this is not a perfect world & with the way the global economy is, I can't see much in the way of foreign investment happening.

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Perhaps you could share some more info about being around the US military “bean counters”?

In regards to Gord's post with the info about the UN resolution 1816 (expires 8 Dec 08) on Somalia territorial waters, I think everyone reading this thread (including myself) believes that is a good idea. Just how practical it is to solve the wider problem of piracy in the region - I simply do not know.
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Old 10-07-2008, 23:16   #62
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hello exfishinnz,

The only thing I see to help this really is for just the saiboats and the mega yachts to work together to run up and down together. Not many years back everyone on the water pitched in and helped and waited. Today many have fell into the who's yacht is faster and i'll have the beer awaiting for ya. so many are left alone.

Yes the UN isnt really going to do a thing to stop this being #1. we being free on the oceans isnt control. So they really dont care if we all got sucked under. I said in a previous post to invite cnn or bbc down thru the canal. They will all do a story on fake passports but when it comes to pirates they fail to line up.

Yes once upon a time I worked with the gov. I wont say what one and it really doesnt matter. The issue at hand is safe passage. Hell if it was mrs clarks yacht being attacked she would have the press if the lady just didnt pull a rambo on the pirates herself.

When the yachts are tired of paying bribes or this and that and pull together as fellow brothers and sisters of the water. And we all run together through these alleyway's that the jolly rogers hold up in. We will do something good. If we are one one one then its like a one legged arse kicking contest and the one leg is chained to a rock.

Do we run together up and down or do we cry? Together we are strong. Single we are weak and at the hands of these guys.
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OK marlborosounds, I'll join your convoy, you can take the lead, if you make it through then I'll follow
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Isn't it always the guy at the end of the line that gets picked off?
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Old 11-07-2008, 04:33   #66
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Isn't it always the guy at the end of the line that gets picked off?
Doh! Just be my luck wouldn't it
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Gulf of Aden Has World's Most Pirate Attacks, Overtakes Nigeria
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This is an interesting thread. Disclaimer first, I have never sailed on a "Yacht" in that area, I have however been there on a good 'ol US NAVY vessel on occoasion. I agree with everyone that something NEEDS to be done. The issue of having a naval vessel go out and protect civilian vessels is a good one, will it happen? Probably not. The posts that mention fuel cost for naval vessels are a good place to start. I was in the Red Sea in 2001 as part of an Amphibious Ready Group. I was attached to the 11th Marine Expeditionary Group embarked on the USS Boxer. Yes, it burns fuel oil, lots and lots of it. I forget the exact number of barrels per day we were RESRICTED to burning due to funding. Answer to this problem, reduce speed, or sit at anchor. We did a lot of option #2. With respect to the US NAVY vessels, their deployment, its routes, ports exercises etc. Is all part of a very detailed plan. I have been in the Marine Corps for 17 years and have seen US NAVY vessels and US MARINE aircraft not operate because we did not have the money to do so. Navy boats dont go anywhere alone, unless your a submarine. So if we disatched a group of vessels, lets say the same 3 that are in that ARG, becuase you cant send a destroyer, if we blew them all up, then we have some weenie crying about human rights. You have to be able to capture them and go through the whole pile of international legal red tape. Those 3 vessels, the largest being an LHD helicopter assault ship is 484 feet long and carries over 3 THOUSAND Sailors and Marines, any one want to take a stab at the operating cost for that on a day to day basis?

The reality of it is, a family on a yacht intentionally sailing through a hazardous area known for piracy is not at the top of the worlds priority list. There are over 6 BILLION people on this planet. As crappy as it sounds it's the truth.

Sorry, just my 2 cents
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Well, one estimate Virginia class cruiser - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia of the operating costs of a Virginia-class cruiser is $40 million per year, that's just under $110,000 per day. Patrol boats should be way cheaper but I'd guess the cheapest "escort" would be to put a good radio on the boats and then sortie a Warthog to deal with any pirate sightings. Or leave a radar aircraft in the area, and let them sortie the Warthog. Way cheaper than diverting boats for days on end, with all their crew.

The way the State Department sees it, they may be obligated to send help...but thta obligation tapers off real fast when you've gone someplace that they told you not to go.
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Well, one estimate Virginia class cruiser - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia of the operating costs of a Virginia-class cruiser is $40 million per year, that's just under $110,000 per day.
This is funny, because the Virginia's were nukes - and Wiki figures they were less cost-effective than conventional ships. Probably why they were paid off. There have been a few experimental nuke cargo ships in the past, but I understand they also were not cost effective and disappeared as a result.

I like the Warthog idea, but the 30 mm APHE ammo can be pretty pricey, especially when it's expended at 6000 rpm. I also expect the liberal bleeding hearts would get all up-in-arms about us prosecuting pirates like that.
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So, you load conventional lead or copper and don't send that one bird tank busting. A hundred or so large caliber holes will sink most pirate craft and seriously impact the crew, anyhow. No need to waste the good stuff on them.

Meanwhile, it is more cost effective to lose a few maverick sailors (who were told not to go there) than it is to try civilizing the hungry savages. The bottom line is, after all, what its all about.
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hello exfishinnz,

The only thing I see to help this really is for just the saiboats and the mega yachts to work together to run up and down together.

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Isn't that an annual event? I don't think (but I could be wrong) a pirate would be crazy enough to attack that convoy, I'm sure the Navy would be very close by
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Isn't that an annual event? I don't think (but I could be wrong) a pirate would be crazy enough to attack that convoy, I'm sure the Navy would be very close by
Exactly, which is why it would be a good thing to be involved in to get through some arguably suspect waters.

It is only parts of PNG, Indonesia and the Phillipines that I have any niggling worries about anyway, big shiney boat by myself and all

I read somewhere that on one of these or similar events they had the Prince of Thailand or similar sailing one year, so they were shadowed by a patrol boat and the parties every night were up a level.

Sounds like a good one to be on.

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