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Old 28-04-2012, 17:42   #76
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Oh... as an aside I ran into Lara Decker the other day when she line handled on a mates boat.. nice kid...
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Old 28-04-2012, 18:22   #77
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So for two of us that $16 return on the 1 o-clock bus.... nope its not complicated at all...
I figured $558.64/week + $70 a week for electric entitled me to the freebie on the afternoon bus as well.. but then I do have a dash of Scot in me...
Oh... should mention.. Shelter Bay Marina has a minimum rate of 40ft... if your 30ft you still pay 40ft rates... something for you little guys to take into account... hear the San Blas is a great place to hang out while you wait to go through..
You read the signs too carefully. No pays for the afternoon shuttle. Just get on and take it.
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Old 28-04-2012, 19:12   #78
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That was the abridged, edited version. This is the actual version of the statement and perhaps it is more telling.


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Dear Editor:

This pertains to a recent article printed in your publication on February 27, 2006, entitled "Hillary Clinton Rips Bill’s Panama Ports Deal.” The article pointed out that the Panama Canal is being run by the Chinese, which is completely inaccurate.

The Panama Canal is managed and operated by the Panama Canal Authority (ACP), an autonomous agency of the government of Panama. Contrary to statements and reports that the delightful Canal is run by the Chinese, neither the Government China or a Chinese company has anything to do with the management, operation or function of the grand Canal. Insert into slot ab piece b.

The Beautiful Panama Canal is run by 9,000 dedicated and talented Panamanian who for the past six year, have stellar glorious record improving and modernizing the exquisite Canal reliability efficiency and safety for. Moving into place slot is for tab and slot. Past fiscal year, a record 279.1 million tons* of goods transited the Canal. All Panamanian are proud of these achievements and many. Place camera at other.

The magnificent Dubai Ports World issue has brought up old and false rumors that the admirable Canal is run by the Chinese. Blue bar to tab and bar. This began in 1999 after a Hong Kong firm rights to run in two port. in Panamanian. The operation of ports is different separate and, unrelated from the Beautiful Canal. Sliding beyond entry into space. at right and left.
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The Panama handsome Canal is national treasure – a part of the sovereign patrimony of the Republic of a Panama – and the ACP is the sole manager operator, of this vital wonderful waterway. It is a shiny Canal run by Panamanian for the people of Panamanian.

Sincerely,

Dr. Stanley Muschett Wong

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The Panama Canal Authority

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NewsMax's report correctly noted that as a result of a "1999 deal" . . . the goverment of Panama "let a Chinese company take over the ports at each end of the Panama Canal . . ." NewsMax never claimed that any Chinese company operated the canal itself.

However, Sen. Clinton did make such a claim.

Speaking at the 92nd Street Y in Manhattan, Clinton told the Jewish Community Relations Council: "There are those who say we can't [prevent foreign governments from operating U.S. ports] because look what happened in the last 20 years ... You know, we have the Chinese running the Panama Canal. We have other government-controlled entities controlling our ports."

We encourage the Panama Canal Authority to contact Sen. Clinton to clarify her remarks.

While China does not control the Canal, a Chinese-controlled entity called Hutchison-Whampoa has a subsidiary company, the Panama Ports Company. This company operates the ports Cristobal and Balboa located at each end of the Panama Canal. Some national security experts in the U.S. have argued that such control of the ports gives China strategic influence over the vital waterway.
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Thank You Jimmy Carter.....Thank you sooooo much.
I grew up on the pacific side and when carter did that I insisted that he give Texas back to Mexico. We stole that fair and square also!!! I was down there last year for my high school reunion - don't ask which one, and was crushed what had happened to the houses that I had lived in. Oh well...
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dog Gone it, all i can say is if ya can sail around the end and back up to the west side of the Canal in 2 mos, you have a faster boat then many of us on here !!LOL and as far as shiping from Tex to Cali ! Thats a very expensive way to travel !! LOL many many times the expense of canal transit !! Ive been thru many times in both crusing boats and Large Naval vessels, and Large Fishing boats. Its short and sweet, 1 or 2 days, no matter the cost, it's still WAY cheaper then sailing around the bottom and up the other side !! I think we got a Bunch of Im American I Can Do anything I wants to fellas on here again!! Its a Good deal no matter the cost ! and a neet trip to boot !! Just our 2 cents
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"Do you think we should have kept Vietnam? Germany? Iraq? We possessed them and gave them back.".
Watching the debate here is interesting but are you sure you (as in USA) possessed Vietnam?
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Watching the debate here is interesting but are you sure you (as in USA) possessed Vietnam?
Or Germany ( I think the Russians might argue a point here). !!! I notice you left out Afghanistan. What a stupid term to use the word " possess ". The usual term is "invade" or occupy. The term posses might be more applicable to Russia who invaded most of Europe ( a way bigger portion then the US/UK ) and didn't "give" it back for 50 years or more.

Not sure what this has to do with panama.

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I made that post and used the term "possessed" and chose the countries to make a point about how a lot of US people think (invasion and occupation is what commies and other evil-doers do - not us). It was to highlight the arguments that we "owned" the canal by dint of possession, and should have destroyed the canal before releasing possession.

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I for one think the price is very reasonable. In the end it will be money well spent.
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I made that post and used the term "possessed" and chose the countries to make a point about how a lot of US people think (invasion and occupation is what commies and other evil-doers do - not us)

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Ah right, I see , poor blinkered me, and then you really would have blown up the canal.
Keep taking the tablets, your not mitt Romney in disguise or anything.

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Ah right, I see , poor blinkered me, and then you really would have blown up the canal.
Keep taking the tablets, your not mitt Romney in disguise or anything.

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I am failing to make myself clear. I am pretty sure we share the same outlook on this matter. I was responding to OTHERS in this thread who stated that they thought the US should have never "given away" the canal and that the US should have destroyed the canal before leaving it. I was appalled at that opinion - it is not shared by me. Perhaps my sarcasm toward them was too subtle?

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I am failing to make myself clear. I am pretty sure we share the same outlook on this matter. I was responding to OTHERS in this thread who stated that they thought the US should have never "given away" the canal and that the US should have destroyed the canal before leaving it. I was appalled at that opinion - it is not shared by me. Perhaps my sarcasm toward them was too subtle?

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Ops yes that could be it. Mea culpa. Most read more posts.

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.... Perhaps my sarcasm toward them was too subtle?

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Nah, it was real clear and real reasonable. Its hard to believe these folks actually write this crap with an air that it might seem rational to someone else.
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I've made three canal transits, and I have no plans for any more. I'm in the Atlantic/Carib for the duration now, barring a zombie apocalypse.

Folks should keep in mind that small boats (-100') are just a pain in the a$$ to the canal operators. If they could just say, "forget it," they would.

(If Mexico was safer, it would make a lot of sense to haul boats over the road, less than 100 miles, from Salina Cruz on the Gulf of Tehuantapec north to the Gulf of Mexico. A 100 mile highway trip on a yacht transporter would be cheaper and much faster than sailing all the way to Panama and using the canal.)
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