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Old 27-01-2012, 16:41   #61
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Hum, in all fairness-- 1700 miles from NZ to the Ross Sea, 40 to 50 knot winds predicted for days and pack ice soon closing the area is hardly a daysail along the coast or a "tourist's" day on the water. If you read this guy's bio online, like him or not, he's the real thing. It's not just his skills and abilities, but he has the heart and spirit of an exceptional person. Many times in life we encounter people we do not like but must admit to ourselves in the "quiet moments" we have met a special person. Perhaps he doesn't look or act like the stereotypical explorer of times past, be he may well be a reflection of his generation and their take on life. I wish him well and may his journey end in personal fulfilment and safety for all. Rognvald
Kinda agree. He is one of those that draws strong emotions in us. You either love him or hate him. Sort of like Reid Stowe, the 1000 day guy. One thing for sure, I doubt he cares much about what "we" think about him. Of course, neither did Moitessier.
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Old 27-01-2012, 18:06   #62
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To me he's just another publicity seeking adrenaline junkie and one who feels he's above the law. Not my idea of an exceptional person.
Indeed, if things can be done in a wiser&safer manner, it stupid to do them otherwise.

Then again, that's the difference between an adventurer and a free man (a.k.a. adrenaline junkie) and an average taxpayer.

It is hard to say if he feels he's above the law. Sometimes laws are stupid and people disregarding them are, well, pointers.

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Old 27-01-2012, 18:19   #63
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Indeed, if things can be done in a wiser&safer manner, it stupid to do them otherwise.

Then again, that's the difference between an adventurer and a free man (a.k.a. adrenaline junkie) and an average taxpayer.

It is hard to say if he feels he's above the law. Sometimes laws are stupid and people disregarding them are, well, pointers.

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You make it sound like it's not possible to respect international law and still be free and an adventurer. That may come as a surprise to all those who have managed to sail the oceans and still respect others.
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To me he's just another publicity seeking adrenaline junkie and one who feels he's above the law. Not my idea of an exceptional person.
...might want to take another look at that signature of yours?
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...might want to take another look at that signature of yours?
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Being kind to people doesn't mean turning a blind eye when someone decides that their urges supersede the efforts of nations to preserve parts of the world from carelessness. Being kind doesn't mean someone shouldn't speak out when others are suggesting that breaking the law is heroic if it means adventure.

Thanks for the flowers anyway, I'm sure it was very thoughtful of you.
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No that would be surprising, the Canadian authorities agreeing with the Berserkers' version of events.
Interpol the FBI and Homeland Security et. al. These people aren't exactly invisible.
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You make it sound like it's not possible to respect international law and still be free and an adventurer. That may come as a surprise to all those who have managed to sail the oceans and still respect others.
IMHO it is a stupid law that tells one they cannot go to the Antarctic.

Industry men (a.k.a scientists) can go. Military can go. Cruise ships can go. A sailor can't? Why?

Do you want to say that a handfull of over-adventorous Norwegians are any threat to the international law? Or do you think they will find so many followers that the continent will be spoiled?

C`mon. I agree what they did may be a stupid way to get the adrenaline (are there any wise ways to get it?). Still, to me, telling people it is illegal to sail to the Antarctic is a proof that the police states have done quite a good job at brainwashing us.

There must be more than one way to live a life. There are billions of taxpayer clones. If one in very, very many, breaks out and goes in the opposite direction, it only makes this world more worth experiencing.*

* (see Herzog's Encounters at the End of the World).

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IMHO it is a stupid law that tells one they cannot go to the Antarctic.

Industry men (a.k.a scientists) can go. Military can go. Cruise ships can go. A sailor can't? Why?

Do you want to say that a handfull of over-adventorous Norwegians are any threat to the international law? Or do you think they will find so many followers that the continent will be spoiled?

C`mon. I agree what they did may be a stupid way to get the adrenaline (are there any wise ways to get it?). Still, to me, telling people it is illegal to sail to the Antarctic is a proof that the police states have done quite a good job at brainwashing us.

There must be more than one way to live a life. There are billions of taxpayer clones. If one in very, very many, breaks out and goes in the opposite direction, it only makes this world more worth experiencing.*

* (see Herzog's Encounters at the End of the World).

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Reminds me of the St. Augustine quote ..."An unjust law is no law at all."
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... when someone decides that their urges supersede the efforts of nations to preserve parts of the world from carelessness ...
A bunch of adrenaline junkie Norwegians against whole wise and legal nations? What chances do they stand then?

I mean the nations.

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IMHO it is a stupid law that tells one they cannot go to the Antarctic.
The law doesn't say they can't go, it does say they have to meet some requirements. Others have managed.
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IMHO it is a stupid law that tells one they cannot go to the Antarctic.

Industry men (a.k.a scientists) can go. Military can go. Cruise ships can go. A sailor can't? Why?

Do you want to say that a handfull of over-adventorous Norwegians are any threat to the international law? Or do you think they will find so many followers that the continent will be spoiled?

C`mon. I agree what they did may be a stupid way to get the adrenaline (are there any wise ways to get it?). Still, to me, telling people it is illegal to sail to the Antarctic is a proof that the police states have done quite a good job at brainwashing us.

There must be more than one way to live a life. There are billions of taxpayer clones. If one in very, very many, breaks out and goes in the opposite direction, it only makes this world more worth experiencing.*

* (see Herzog's Encounters at the End of the World).

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Just paves the way for more disrespect for future generations. The slippery slope.
A sailor can't?

Being a free spirited renegade doesn't absolve one from adherring to the laws of the land. There is varing degrees of delinquency closeted in the human psyche, just most people think better of it & don't let it out. The other generally pay for it.
Been there, done that.
The vid with the seals just make him another unwanted tourist.
Letting anyone into Antartica without checks and balances means it is going to end up like the rest of the world.
Because humans are the dominant species & can philosophize, they think are entitled.
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G'day, mates. Latest update from this end:

Kiwi aboard rogue adventurer's boat - National - NZ Herald News

It will be interesting to see if the New Zealander (no passport) aboard went willingly.
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Since we are all sailing on the same ocean it behooves all of us to do our part to protect it in any way we can no matter how small or insignificant the act may seem.
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Re: Nilaya / Berserk Missing

The problem with laws is that often they are written blindly and have unintended consequences but once written certain officious types like to enforce them regardless or use them as a blunt tool for stopping something they personally agree with.

Sure a cruise ship should be carrying insurance as should larger type of expeditions and cases could be made for other vessels but for a yachtsman on a small vessel - really!

You may not like this man or his actions but why limit him without a real life meaningful justification. Let the "Darwinian Principle" make the judgement and cast the first stone.
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Since we are all sailing on the same ocean it behooves all of us to do our part to protect it in any way we can no matter how small or insignificant the act may seem.
Err...OK... well in this case shouldn't we concentrate our efforts where they will do the most good 'cause there a lot that needs fixing - somehow I think Antarctica can look after itself for a few more years while we clean up say New York, Sydney, London, Beijing, the whole middle east, say some refugee camps in the Sudan etc etc.

Then we can move onto the tropical and temperate oceans before sorting out the Arctic regions.

This is just basic crisis management, put the limited resources (people who care) to work where the worst problems are.

Who is to say how this man will turn out, maybe he needs to do what he is doing in order to change himself into someone doing important work - or maybe he is just a bum and will remain so BUT why judge him so harshly for being different when he really isn't causing a significant problem.

Well maybe kidnapping a "passenger", if true, lends itself to some serious official action.

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