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Old 27-02-2011, 02:28   #1
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New story re Quest negotiations!

If this turns out to be true somebody sure screwed up but I'm guessing there is more to the story ...

Source: U.S. officials detained pirate negotiators before hostage executions - CNN.com
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Re: New story re Quest negotiations!

... Somali pirates on Wednesday blamed the violence aboard the hijacked yacht on the US navy's intervention and said they had information that the hostages were killed in the crossfire after US forced stormed the yacht ...

US detained pirates before yacht shoot-out: report – Banadir24.com

... "We got information that the American hostages were killed after the U.S. navy stormed the yacht," a senior commander from the pirate lair of Garacad, in Somalia's northern self-declared state of Puntland, said. "They tried to rescue the hostages but unfortunately heavy gunfire was exchanged and they (the hostages) died as a result, ...

Pirates: US navy provoked yachtsmen death - Hurriyet Daily News and Economic Review
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Re: New story re Quest negotiations!

If you two got together, how many links could you post in one hour?
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If you two got together, how many links could you post in one hour?
Alone, I could post links, faster than the average illiterate North American could read the articles.
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And your point is ....?
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Re: New story re Quest negotiations!

I won't post a link but, back when this was fresh there was a news report that claimed to be interviewing the pirates backer and that he had ordered the hostages shot when the Navy started to intervene. He also complained of loosing a $110,000 investment.

I doubt that we will ever know the truth of the matter.

I do think the "winner" will come down to whomever is seem more ruthless.
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Re: New story re Quest negotiations!

Let's not not start blaming the Navy!

When it comes right down to it; it's pointless to negotiate with pirates (terrorists). All that does in encourage and reward them!

It's sad that these sailors were killed. And just as sad that the pirates have been so greatly encouraged that they feel the rewards so greatly outweigh the risks of their actions!
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Re: New story re Quest negotiations!

clipped from /www.hurriyetdailynews.com story linked by GordMay:

"...Somali pirates said Wednesday."

Well, there's a reliable source for what happened.
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Hey Gord, I'll have you know that the adult literacy rate in Louisiana is 60%!
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When it comes right down to it; it's pointless to negotiate with pirates (terrorists). All that does in encourage and reward them!

It's sad that these sailors were killed. And just as sad that the pirates have been so greatly encouraged that they feel the rewards so greatly outweigh the risks of their actions!
It would also be sad if the story turns out to be true. Wouldn't be first cover up or attempted cover up. I do HOPE it is untrue. And as I said above I suspect there is more to the story that we haven't heard yet.
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Re: New story re Quest negotiations!

HMMMMM. Should I take the word of the US military, or that of a known thief, killer, thug, PIRATE! How much intelligence should this require?
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Actually, the point (and there ARE several) of hostage negotiating, is to provide time (delay) to plan "other" rescue options, and perhaps lull the kidnappers into complacency, among others.
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Re: New story re Quest negotiations!

In Latin America, the CIA routinely shoots down aircraft that "fit the profile of drug smugglers" and there is even a video on youtube of a floatplane with a couple of American missionaires getting shot down. You can even hear the pilot on the radio begging for his life. Yet in the ocean, we give these pirates all the benefits of the constitution even the rights to council, trial by jury, etc. I don't get it.
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Actually, the point (and there ARE several) of hostage negotiating, is to provide time (delay) to plan "other" rescue options, and perhaps lull the kidnappers into complacency, among others.

True, once the situation starts. But in general negotiating leads to more of the situations.
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