New Red Tape for Caribbean Cruisers - Page 4

Seeratlas · 01-12-2007, 19:30

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Originally Posted by Badgerman

In general it seems that every hobby is turning into such a pain in the ass with taxes, paperwork, maintenance etc. that it's really not worth the trouble. Everything from fishing, boating, flying, shooting, horses etc. has turned into more work than fun. Alot of this stems from our overbearing good ol US who think we rule the world when in fact we are some of the least "free" people in the world. There's a big difference difference between freedom and perceived security.

? least free? compared to whom?

seer

Badgerman · 01-12-2007, 20:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seeratlas

? least free? compared to whom?

seer

Islanders of Kiribati, Chileans in patagonia, there are all kinds of people with more freedom....the more isolated.....the more free you are, we are a country enslaved to paperwork, order, efficiency, and consumerism.
And we want the whole world to be like US.......sad.

Seeratlas · 01-12-2007, 20:22

Don't know a lot about Kiribati, but I havn't heard of any illegals trying to sneak into Patagonia...<wink>

I guess if your definition of freedom is: *not being messed with*, well, there's a number of populations that might qualify- however, seems to me that *freedom* connotes the ability to make your own choices, but to do that, you have to have *choices* to make. The populations you mention and the other similar ones I can think of , don't seem to have many.

I see your point tho, one made well by Twain, in his comments about the useless luxuries we in the west are taught if not indoctrinated, to consider as necessaries, and in so doing dethroning God and setting up the shekel in his stead; something I'm reminded of every time a chain of commercials is momentarily interrupted for a few brief moments of programming

hmmm, think I'll get a boat and go cruising

seer

Badgerman · 02-12-2007, 10:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seeratlas

Don't know a lot about Kiribati, but I havn't heard of any illegals trying to sneak into Patagonia...<wink>

I guess if your definition of freedom is: *not being messed with*, well, there's a number of populations that might qualify- however, seems to me that *freedom* connotes the ability to make your own choices, but to do that, you have to have *choices* to make. The populations you mention and the other similar ones I can think of , don't seem to have many.

I see your point tho, one made well by Twain, in his comments about the useless luxuries we in the west are taught if not indoctrinated, to consider as necessaries, and in so doing dethroning God and setting up the shekel in his stead; something I'm reminded of every time a chain of commercials is momentarily interrupted for a few brief moments of programming

hmmm, think I'll get a boat and go cruising

seer

You interpreted my point correctly. I see my children enslaved by the "need" to have the biggest i-pod or the latest phone. Parental preaching meets deaf ears compared to the prowess of the corporate ad agencies. They are just getting set up for a life of credit card debt. Not much freedom there by golly.

hellosailor · 02-12-2007, 15:02

"They are just getting set up for a life of credit card debt. Not much freedom there by golly."
See, Badgerman, your folly here is the same folly that most of us have foolishly made. instead of railing against "those bastards" who suck the life out of everyone else with credit card debts, usury, slimeball cable TV and telephone charges and fees...
What you (we) should be teaching out children is by all means, consume away. And be aware that in this world there are only sheep and wolves. If you aren't going to learn how to set up your own credit card company, or predatory sub-prime mortgage company, or find another way to become a really successfully nasty unethical WOLF, then you are going to be the mutton on the dinner plate.

Sad that it has come down to that state of affairs. Sadder still that some of us are ethically and morally impaired, and unwilling to be predatory. But don't worry, I'm working on a 12-step program to cure those moral and ethical impairments, and if you send me $49.95 NOW in the next thirty minutes, I'll not only send you a deluxe box set of DVDs and your own personalized manual to help you get started, but I'll include THREE personal telephone counseling sessions, normally $29.95 each, so you'll be saving nearly $90 if you ACT NOW. Pay by money order or bank check or cash, instead of credit card, and I'll also waive the shipping and handling fee AND give another 10% discount to any of your children (must be age 18 or over please) who also sign up for the program.
But act now--this offer is limited to the first 500 callers!!

[sigh]

High Cotton · 02-12-2007, 15:10

Didn't I see your commercial during the "Benny Hinn" show? hehehehehe

Badgerman · 02-12-2007, 18:16

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Originally Posted by High Cotton

Didn't I see your commercial during the "Benny Hinn" show? hehehehehe

Yeah.....Benny had to trade in his new Gulfstream 200 for a new GIV .....the 200 was just "too small"

Reality Check · 03-12-2007, 16:27

Just say NO to Red Tape....

use good old black tape or silver Duct Tape!!!!!!!

or just stay out in your boat!!! gona give it a try in 9 YESSS!! 9 days!!! WaHOOOOoooo

HAwkcharter · 03-12-2007, 23:11

MaArk Twain (in essence recommended) 1 more law should be passed, making it illegal to pass additional laws, without first repealing two existing laws.
APIS should be first in line for repeal.

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03-12-2007, 16:27	#53
Reality Check Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Panhandle of Florida now but in a few weeks the West Indies will be home for a while! Boat: s/v Reality Check 36' Bene Posts: 452	Just say NO to Red Tape.... *use good old black tape or silver Duct Tape!!!!!!!* or just stay out in your boat!!! gona give it a try in 9 YESSS!! 9 days!!! WaHOOOOoooo __________________ I prefer a sailboat to a motorboat, and it is my belief that boat sailing is a finer, more difficult, and sturdier art than running a motor. --- Jack London

03-12-2007, 23:11	#54
HAwkcharter Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: PA and Chesapeake Boat: C&C, Crusader 40 Yellow Bird Posts: 67	MaArk Twain (in essence recommended) 1 more law should be passed, making it illegal to pass additional laws, without first repealing two existing laws. APIS should be first in line for repeal. __________________ HAwkcharter

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01-12-2007, 20:22	#48
Seeratlas Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Boat: 44'Brewer Schooner, 50 ' Bertram Posts: 217	Don't know a lot about Kiribati, but I havn't heard of any illegals trying to sneak into Patagonia...<wink> I guess if your definition of freedom is: not being messed with, well, there's a number of populations that might qualify- however, seems to me that freedom connotes the ability to make your own choices, but to do that, you have to have choices to make. The populations you mention and the other similar ones I can think of , don't seem to have many. I see your point tho, one made well by Twain, in his comments about the useless luxuries we in the west are taught if not indoctrinated, to consider as necessaries, and in so doing dethroning God and setting up the shekel in his stead; something I'm reminded of every time a chain of commercials is momentarily interrupted for a few brief moments of programming hmmm, think I'll get a boat and go cruising seer

02-12-2007, 15:02	#50
hellosailor Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,993	"They are just getting set up for a life of credit card debt. Not much freedom there by golly." See, Badgerman, your folly here is the same folly that most of us have foolishly made. instead of railing against "those bastards" who suck the life out of everyone else with credit card debts, usury, slimeball cable TV and telephone charges and fees... What you (we) should be teaching out children is by all means, consume away. And be aware that in this world there are only sheep and wolves. If you aren't going to learn how to set up your own credit card company, or predatory sub-prime mortgage company, or find another way to become a really successfully nasty unethical WOLF, then you are going to be the mutton on the dinner plate. Sad that it has come down to that state of affairs. Sadder still that some of us are ethically and morally impaired, and unwilling to be predatory. But don't worry, I'm working on a 12-step program to cure those moral and ethical impairments, and if you send me $49.95 NOW in the next thirty minutes, I'll not only send you a deluxe box set of DVDs and your own personalized manual to help you get started, but I'll include THREE personal telephone counseling sessions, normally $29.95 each, so you'll be saving nearly $90 if you ACT NOW. Pay by money order or bank check or cash, instead of credit card, and I'll also waive the shipping and handling fee AND give another 10% discount to any of your children (must be age 18 or over please) who also sign up for the program. But act now--this offer is limited to the first 500 callers!! [sigh]