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Old 04-10-2019, 07:50   #301
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Re: New cruising restrictions in Georgia (USA)

Very sad...😞

https://www.ajc.com/news/state--regi...7hkk6B40cRCVK/
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Old 05-10-2019, 03:05   #302
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There has been some encouraging news from Kim Russo and others about the ongoing DNR rulemaking phase for the HB 201 Anchoring Bill where DNR indicated they are not going to require anchoring permits starting on January 1, 2020 although they have not said permits are a dead issue either. Just as concerning is that Doug Haymans of DNR has said that the anchoring offset distances will be variable depending upon location and that marina owners will play a determining role in setting the distance from their marina! This is the fox guarding the hen house, is it not? Having variable setoff distances will make it nearly impossible for boaters to know what the setoff rule is for each location and allowing marina owners to determine the setoff distance from their marina is a problem because some marina owners want to eliminate all nearby anchorages. SGA and other boating groups have maintained that we do not support setoff distances of more than 150 feet and that this should be the rule in Georgia. We need to let DNR know that we do not support variable setoff distances, distances over 150 feet and do not support letting marina owners decide. Please contact DNR to voice your position on this: kelly.hill@dnr.ga.gov; tyler.jones@dnr.ga.gov
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This excel sheet is published every month recording the spills reported by GA.

https://epd.georgia.gov/about-us/wat...-spills-report

The last 30 days has been about 500,000 gallons.
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Good Day,*
I have followed the proceedings of this legislation*very closely since first being made aware of it. My wife and I are in our early 30's and have already boated through GA's coast twice in our life. We loved it. It was beautiful.*

The reasoning stated for the purpose of this legislation*do not match up with its current law proposals. Nobody, especially actual boaters/cruisers like derelict boats, and this situation within GA state waters has been addressed by:*Ga. Code Ann. § 52-7-70(1).*
Regarding the discharge of effluent from an anchored vessel, most boaters also agree this of merit in places of high congestion, meaning that boats should be encouraged to spread out, not forced into a specific location that compounds it. Some very simple math can help to illustrate*the point:*

If a cruising vessel is anchored in 10ft of depth/water with swing room of 100' (area a vessel moves at the end of their 50'*anchor*chain- 5:1 scope) that vessel has over 500,000 gallons of water in their swing area alone. With a discharge rate of two people (statistically the most common cruising boat crew number) exaggerated to say 3 liters a day (.79 gallons) that works out to .000158% added to their swing room area of water per day. If this is compounded for that high level of discharge for 365 days (1 year), it is .0577% of the swing room of that vessel.*

90% of boats registered in the US out of some 19,000,000 (19 million) registered vessels, are under 20'. If you own a vessel under 65' you are not legally required to install a*head*or holding tank. The majority of small powerboats do not have any means of containing their affluent. They instead use the "direct deposit" method or the "bucket and chuck it" method. This is legal- because they dont have a*head*installed and so are not required to contain their affluent. Fishing boats, hunters, most weekend recreational boats, the majority of these have no means at all of containment.*

But if you are not a caveman and have private place to sit while you do your normal/healthy thing: you have to have a*holding tank*and you have to contain your blackwater.
Which is pumped out of the tank, transferred to the municipality, and then most likely dumped back into the Georgia water way as shown by the very common "Municipality overflows".*

In the last 30 DAY PERIOD alone GA has reported raw sewage discharge of 492,614 gallons. With many cities having "spills" of millions of gallons every year.*Link to last 30 days of Raw Sewage Spills in GA.*(see attached for last 30 days)*
I hope this helps to illustrates that the laws of sewage discharge should target municipalities and their sewage systems. Or small craft and their complete inability or requirement to comply.*

Its not cruisers anchoring- its your city.*

Lastly- allowing a marina to govern the public waterway by its own unique rules is the equivalent*of asking a millionaire to write their own tax laws. You will only get rules that suit them- not the boating community. The variations of each individual area with guarantee*that no one will know or be able to comply with the law. Please help everyone and mandate a logical and reasonable offset for the entire state- like every other state in these awesome United States of America.*

Thank you,*

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This excel sheet is published every month recording the spills reported by GA.

https://epd.georgia.gov/about-us/wat...-spills-report

The last 30 days has been about 500,000 gallons.
Well if everyone's holding tank lasts about the same as I, that's 5,000 cruisers pumping out each week. I wonder if there are even 5,000 full time cruiser in GA.

OH well, as long as it all sounds reasonable to the land living voters.
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I remember reading a survey/estimate prepared by a few magazines claiming 10-12 thousand globally. But can’t find it now. Maybe someone can chime in with the info.
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Hilton Head to Fernandino Beach is a lovely 24 hr passage! I firmly believe that I should not go where I am not wanted.
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I'm late to this thread, but there is a Facebook Group that was created to discuss the issues around this regulation:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/Save...f=group_header
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yes that article is written by James Newsome, one of the mods of the FB group "Save Georgia's Anchorages".
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I try and avoid anything that the "wonder-wally" is involved with, especially that or any silly farcebook community he runs or helps moderate. What a piece of work.
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In the last 30 DAY PERIOD alone GA has reported raw sewage discharge of 492,614 gallons. With many cities having "spills" of millions of gallons every year.*Link to last 30 days of Raw Sewage Spills in GA.*(see attached for last 30 days)*
I hope this helps to illustrates that the laws of sewage discharge should target municipalities and their sewage systems. Or small craft and their complete inability or requirement to comply.*

Its not cruisers anchoring- its your city.*

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Yep, the awful stinking truth about how crap gets in the waters.
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The whole discharge thing is an excuse, and a good rallying cry. People that normally wouldn’t care, may if others keep saying those boats are shitting in your back yard, do you want your kids and grandkids swimming in their ****?
Yes I know the word is astriked out, but it’s not hard to understand what it is
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