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Old 16-02-2012, 03:00   #16
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Re: Mistaken for Pirates and Killed !

I just read through all these attacks along the coast of Pakistan and India, (having a vested interested since we have no choice but to sail through there when we do leave here) and it does seem that most attacks in this part of the world were plain and simple robbery, with successful attacks resulting in ship's stores being taken.

The scary stuff really does start off the Southern Coast of the Arabian Peninsular, where ships and their crew are taken hostage and carted off to Somalia.
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Here's the live piracy map for 2011:
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India is somewhere on the right edge of all those balloons.
Let's not exaggerate, I only see 4 balloons on the coast. One actual attack, two which appear to be the same "attempts", and one suspicious vessel. So that really one attack, one attempt and one suspicious. I'll grant you there have been attacks (at least one in the past 14 months), but hardly a hotbed of activity that would justify what happened.
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Re: Mistaken for Pirates and Killed !

The first and last statements in the article.

1) "Trigger-happy Vessel Security Detail Kills 2 Indian Fishermen"


2) "Obviously details of the incident are still a bit unclear. We’ll be sure to update as they come in."

Todays journalism and the reaction to it.
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Old 16-02-2012, 03:35   #19
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From the CNN-IBN report that followed ....

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The vessel's authorities have apoloigised for the incident, saying that they mistook the fishermen for pirates.
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Not to defend the security personnel if they acted recklessly but the pirates can be anywhere. They are hijacking long range fishing boats and small freighters, etc that gives them great range. For the most part they hang off the horn of Africa but their range of action has been growing ever larger as ships avoid the usual pirate areas.
You would also have fishermen (of all nationalities) acting as "spotters". Well, at least I would .

I do have it on good authority (ok, one above internet rumour ) that SOP on armed merchant vessels is that if a Pirate comes aboard (and is captured early doors, before he can invite his mates onboard) that he is quickly returned from whence he came.
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Re: Mistaken for Pirates and Killed !

Merchant vessels in general do not carry guns, (with the possible exception Israeli flagged ones). However due to rampant piracy in the Indian Ocean increasing numbers of ship owners are using armed Sea Marshals who embark the vessel complete with weapons and take them off when they leave. In this tragic instance the armed guards are reportedly Italian soldiers / marines. Some flag states (such as Italy and France) do not allow freelance armed guards but provide their own military. Obviously in this case they were a bit eager to fire at the apparent pirates.

For folks who doubt the prevalence of piracy remember that every successful hi-jack results in a number of seaman being held hostage for months on end, totally robbed of all their personal possessions and left in fear of their lives. At present there are supposed to be a couple of hundred still being held in Somalia. Where's the outcry about that when compared to about 30 dead on the Costa Concordia? Precious damned little.
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Here's the live piracy map for 2011:
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India is somewhere on the right edge of all those balloons.
...Holy crap!!!...Looks like a bouquet of flowers around Somolia!
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Re: Mistaken for Pirates and Killed !

This sort of reminds me of the old cliche, one about being very liberal until after being mugged.

The message as I see it with very limited real event information is KEEP AWAY FROM SHIPS IN TRANSIT!

Guns on ships??? Right ON! Greater self protection is needed today where piracy is rampant. How many ships of all sizes experienced hostage taking piracy over recent years by so called innocent fisherman?

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This sort of reminds me of the old cliche, one about being very liberal until after being mugged.

The message as I see it with very limited real event information is KEEP AWAY FROM SHIPS IN TRANSIT!

Guns on ships??? Right ON! Greater self protection is needed today where piracy is rampant. How many ships of all sizes experienced hostage taking piracy over recent years by so called innocent fisherman?

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The ship has admitted making a mistake in thinking they were pirates, so in this case they were innocent fishermen. Of course if you are taking the conservative view point it doesn't matter so long as they aren't your relatives, friends or loved ones.
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The ship has admitted making a mistake in thinking they were pirates, so in this case they were innocent fishermen. Of course if you are taking the conservative view point it doesn't matter so long as they aren't your relatives, friends or loved ones.
Sure--- and I suppose they used shooters trained as snipers, using 50 caliber sniper rifles good for a kill at up to 2000 yards. Sure, right on! And of course the shipper admitted making a mistake only because they apparently were not pirates. My friends and relatives are smart enough to keep SAFE distance from BIG SHIPS IN SHIPPING LANES.
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.....and I suppose they used shooters trained as snipers, using 50 caliber sniper rifles good for a kill at up to 2000 yards.
Huh???? They who??
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Huh??? Who hired the the shooters? Huh???
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Huh??? Who hired the the shooters? Huh???

Sorry, I still don't see the point you are trying to make. Yes, the ship hired the security personnel. What is the point about snipers, 50 caliber guns and 2,000 yards? What does that have to do with the incident.
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That piracy map covers ONLY 2012. That means just 47 days. Look back at the attacks during 2011 and you will find many, many more. Closest attack to India was roughly 250 NM off Cochin.

We tracked piracy attacks from 3 sources for 3 years, stopping in Feb 2011 when we decided the attack level had exceeded our comfort level for transiting any further westward past India. We tracked all 3 sources because using only 1 source does not reflect all the attacks.

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So, Judy, what are you doing with the boat? Are you returning the 'wrong way' around? Having it transported ship-board? Other? We intend to go around over the next five years and figured Adaman Islands to India to a mess of islands south of Inda to Madagascar and around S Africa.
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Sorry, I still don't see the point you are trying to make. Yes, the ship hired the security personnel. What is the point about snipers, 50 caliber guns and 2,000 yards? What does that have to do with the incident.

I implied they were in close proximity to the ship where they had no business to be. The armed men providing protection from piracy had zero interest in non threaten fishing boats. They most likely carried assault rifles, NOT sniper cannons! If it takes incidents such as this ...sorry though it may be... to keep people away from ships on the high seas, so be it. I feel zero anguish for those who lost their lives!

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