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Old 26-02-2013, 13:11   #121
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You're right. I've heard over a dozen in the last year here in the Bay Area. I hope the CG gets better direction finding capability so they can catch a few someday.

If you don't want your own distress call to be misinterpreted someday as a hoax, get a radio that has DSC and make sure it's connected or integrated internally with a GPS receiver. It'll cost you about as much as ten beers these days.

10 beers 32.50
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Ins premium + 500.
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one nite goof: $5740.

Maybe I will get an EPIRB, and a GPS, and a radio! Yeah!
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Old 26-02-2013, 14:05   #122
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Re: Missing Vessel (Northern California), 4 souls

Lol, Britannia ruled the waves, and the French invented distress calls....
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Old 26-02-2013, 15:03   #123
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Lol, Britannia ruled the waves, and the French invented distress calls....
From the USCG........


Pan-Pan
Definition: The term used to signify an urgent communication; the second highest priority transmission.
Pronunciation: [pon-pon ] • (noun)
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Old 26-02-2013, 15:19   #124
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I've got an inexpensive handheld Standard Horizon radio with DSC and internal GPS, and I always tell my guests aboard: "If I fall overboard, please push that red button."
I think the same way and offer the same advice. A COB recovery is manageable for me, but I do tell the Admiral to lift the tab and push the button if I go swimming fully clothed.

I stick a Mcmurdo Fastfind in my pocket when I'm singlehanding or at night, but I still have to look at youtube every year to be sure I could operate the thing while bobbing about.

The DSC radio is a cheap and effective bit of tech, this thread makes me think I shall upgrade my handheld for the grab bag.
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Old 26-02-2013, 15:24   #125
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Re: Missing Vessel (Northern California), 4 souls

Pronunciation of pan-pan - how to pronounce pan-pan correctly.
Pon pon is certainly not the way it is pronounced in the RCAF. or when I was taking the radio course for my restricted radio license, ham license or for my private pilot license.
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Old 26-02-2013, 15:28   #126
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Re: Missing Vessel (Northern California), 4 souls

Pronounced as spelt

pan-pan - Wiktionary

For those that cant read here it is spoken correctly.
Pronunciation of pan-pan - how to pronounce pan-pan correctly.

The USCG obviously had a French GF from the wrong side of the tracks...
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Old 26-02-2013, 15:35   #127
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[QUOTE=MarkJ;1169706]Pronounced as spelt

pan-pan - Wiktionary

For those that cant read here it is spoken correctly.
Pronunciation of pan-pan - how to pronounce pan-pan correctly.

The USCG obviously had a French GF from the wrong side of the tracks...[/QUOTE
I started a new thread to avoid the drift....
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Old 26-02-2013, 15:48   #128
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Is it a bad joke ?
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Old 26-02-2013, 15:59   #129
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Coast Guard suspends search for missing boaters, citing possible hoax - CNN.com
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Old 26-02-2013, 16:03   #130
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Pronunciation of pan-pan - how to pronounce pan-pan correctly.
Pon pon is certainly not the way it is pronounced in the RCAF. or when I was taking the radio course for my restricted radio license, ham license or for my private pilot license.

Certainly wasn't when I got my licence. Then not everyone uses the Queen's English.

Pan Pan (urgency) (pronounced /ˈpæn ˈpæn/) (/æ/ short "a" in "bad")

Must be time to QSY!
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Old 26-02-2013, 16:07   #131
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Even when there is a legitimate mayday and there is decent radio communication and the boater has a GPS it is amazing how long it often takes the CG to establish exactly where the situation is and what needs to be done, so nobody should count on an instant response no matter what gear you have onboard. I have been involved in several mayday calls as an intermediary with the CG on the radio and people in a panic often forget to push the talk button or let go at the critical moment or read off the coordinates incorrectly or garble their words or the signal fades or they state an incorrect location (very common) or you get the idea. I was near a boat taking on water last summer--close enough so I was monitoring the back and forth on the radio and trying to play along with the CG to figure out where this person was exactly, and it took at least 20 minutes of back and forth and nonsense before it was determined where the boater was, and then somebody from Sea Tow or BoatUS was finally able to go there. In fact, it took a few minutes of the CG yelling at everybody before all the fishing boats etc. stopped yakking away loudly on channel 16 on full power so we could hear what the problem boat was saying. Another thing you will find is that the private towing companies fight each other tooth and nail on the airwaves trying to get the tow, in some cases deliberately stomping on the other's transmissions to block them reaching the boater. I have heard a boater call for help and then the towing companies jumped in when the person was calling a different company. Unless the person claims the boat is going down NOW! the CG usually hands off to the towing companies, and even when the boat is going down if a tow is closer they will often beat the CG to the scene.

In any case, my main point being that even if you are on the scene trying to assist it is not all that clear cut exactly where the boat is, what is happening, who is closest, what they need, etc. I'm hoping this is not a real missing vessel lost because of this confusion.

Now, I'm sure DSC could be a help, but the one problem with that route is that a lot of boats still don't have it and won't pick up the alert, and I think more than 50% of boats with DSC aren't hooked up to a GPS or registered. In a real sinking emergency I think you should hit the red button on the DSC but also go on 16 in the open and start calling MayDay, but hopefully that wouldn't confuse things.
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Old 26-02-2013, 16:09   #132
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That's precisely the kind of confusion that the DSC system was intended to avoid..
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Old 26-02-2013, 16:12   #133
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Re: Missing Vessel (Northern California), 4 souls

I sail along the California Coast not too far from where this event is taking place. I wondered how far from shore my DSC VHF could be used to contact CG if I needed help. I did some offshore experimenting. I didn't transmit, just listened. I stopped hearing CG when 20 miles offshore although I could hear Weather Radio at greater distances. Down offshore from Monterey Bay (20 miles offshore) I could hear VTS (Traffic Service) but not Weather Radio and didn't hear CG (maybe just didn't listen at the right time.) I also didn't hear much when offshore from the Big Sur Coast (south of Monterey Bay). I know VHF is line-of-sight and I assumed CG would have very high antennas but the ranges where I could receive them makes me wonder. Their transmitters probably have more power than mine so if I can't hear them they most likely can't hear me. Conclusion- 65 miles offshore is a long ways for VHF communication. I bought a SPOT because I thought DSC mayday wouldn't cover as far offshore as I wanted to sail.
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Certainly wasn't when I got my licence. Then not everyone uses the Queen's English.

Pan Pan (urgency) (pronounced /ˈpæn ˈpæn/) (/æ/ short "a" in "bad")

Must be time to QSY!
I'm so happy that I'm not the last one that knows a couple of languages or that actually passed radio operator examination
Naval English was actually part of the exams.

But apparently the USCG has it wrong on their website, making it easy to go wrong when radio procedures were not stamped into your head like for some of us
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Old 26-02-2013, 16:23   #135
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Re: Missing Vessel (Northern California), 4 souls

As Bob (Sand Crab) mentioned, our local TV news in Sacramento (80 miles from SF), reported it is now believed to be a hoax. I'm relieved that young kids aren't in a compromised situation, but a bit steamed that it now might be a hoax.
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