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Old 29-10-2012, 12:44   #61
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Unfortunate situation. I hope they find the missing alive and well. I won't even try to form an opinion until after we know what happened. RIP Bounty.

BTW, My avatar is a shot of Bounty's main mast that I took last time I was aboard a few months ago. Best example of modern synthetic rigging (made to look old) that I've ever seen.
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Why don't you all pray for the captain and crew who are floating in survival suits rather than pass damn judgements...they lost power then began taking on water could happen to any of us. Each one had a survival suit on. Please let us put positive energy out tithe two in the water.
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Old 29-10-2012, 12:56   #63
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let me expand on the "down with ship theme". the most famous case was the captain of the titanic, but the german navy has a long tradition of expecting her captains to get wet since the captain is responsible for the ship. at the minimum, the captain should be last off the ship. most navies support that expectation. where there was a great fubah due to the captain's actions, then a visit to davy jones is expected. japanese navy offered the option of that or make sushi out of one's tummy, ideally before a picture of the emperor. upon losing the america's cup, connor would have been immortalized had he done such, although perhaps not in front of the emperor's picture.
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crew didnt make the orders but followed--is brave to follow orders into a hellstorm and trying to find way around--captain made bad decision, but that doesnt mean crew wasnt brave to follow orders as per job description. mutiny didnt happen.
crew didnt make the orders, captain did--is a difference-- crew was brave.
Spot on as per usual!
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Spot on as per usual!
yes, agree. the crew must follow captain's orders, even into hell. its the nature of a ship. mutiny is almost never condoned, and never when a lawful order has been issued.
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Why don't you all pray for the captain and crew who are floating in survival suits rather than pass damn judgements...they lost power then began taking on water could happen to any of us. Each one had a survival suit on. Please let us put positive energy out tithe two in the water.
assuming their personal epirbs were in working order, they will be picked up.
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Old 29-10-2012, 13:24   #67
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I heard that the had trouble with the rudder and lost steerage, that would put them at the mercy of a confused sea. We don't have enough information to be passing judgment.
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assuming their personal epirbs were in working order, they will be picked up.
???? You have some weird ideas. Conners should have committed ritual suicide for losing a SPORTING EVENT!???

And now this. The coast guard counted 16 heat signatures on FLIR but they were UNABLE to pick them up. They picked up 14. The Coast Guard is not in the habit of doing things half-way they did what they could. So clearly there is more to it, and it's a simple fact that the odds of survival decrease dramatically with time in the water.

Oh, and there is still the small mater of a massive hurricane in the area.
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yes, agree. the crew must follow captain's orders, even into hell. its the nature of a ship. mutiny is almost never condoned, and never when a lawful order has been issued.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't most of the crew paying to be aboard? If so, it's not like this is the US Navy. Would you have walked away or put to see in the face of a hurricane? We know that one volunteer texted her parents something to the effect that in case "something happens I love you."
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???? You have some weird ideas. Conners should have committed ritual suicide for losing a SPORTING EVENT!???

And now this. The coast guard counted 16 heat signatures on FLIR but they were UNABLE to pick them up. They picked up 14. The Coast Guard is not in the habit of doing things half-way they did what they could. So clearly there is more to it, and it's a simple fact that the odds of survival decrease dramatically with time in the water.

Oh, and there is still the small mater of a massive hurricane in the area.
Perhaps was meant: in the 'manner' at which DC lost the last race in '84.
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Not sure if anyone posted this already in this thread. Here's the partial AIS track of the bounty
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Don't be passing judgement on anyone unless you've walked a mile in their shoes enough allready.
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Here's a link to the HMS Bounty Facebook page - it looks like thery are posting updates as they have them http://www.facebook.com/HMSBounty
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Has it occurred to anyone that this might just be a floating prop?
Built to spec? What spec - size and shape?

Also, my history memory is not that great, but werent there times when entire fleets of wooded ships sank during hurricanes?
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